From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 417CE138334 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2019 18:36:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E5997E0895; Sat, 21 Sep 2019 18:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pf1-f179.google.com (mail-pf1-f179.google.com [209.85.210.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5FBDE0857 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2019 18:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pf1-f179.google.com with SMTP id v4so1990307pff.6 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2019 11:36:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=DMhlSw27YZJ0ii+rCf4UIX+xWvehKD6ZAf/KIDLx5w4=; b=izO+13tM8LJ0aI/nNePW8TzTUjDVGBesLIXplheqXef4tThefQ0AVxiDDsFeTjtF1/ vyQHreH8rFXIIHEK22y1RxfolxgQfFXXA+2ekH/ZX5MZQf5LoQoxZ4OrfsYi3RTehao8 TqdCo351pvZhkLAk1wk1bbrjTORxwMI4TjhK7/DYPq1VNRH5zu8u0XF/e/uKt/bPlB1o FO9eUx8kMlQWbRRt3CqsTRrK6LOGL+WkvDC5Un+D9eNm7mKUMNuz0YZ5bNW/CKo3blir dUYY2vDhL9ErpI35/r2R93Y+hNjlfjJTAET6LhC00dWnFgQwHq6BLBB6Y/Vkv5t0kmmo vM/A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAV7eLqE1kLmDiVjQ8hF3lpjG/hlzC2ak+PBqA6ZuTc9vDnNDi22 AgWwcSnxhCIUvMMis6XWTiUVXAww54rezfCaUXgTOZv9wqzl4Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyXsbQpUc9l2Qyvd8UP7ytb9dQfwiAK514axiD8ogavgReraL/puHCcICBd3iBcuOr55QEkChd0pr3TJdHKEDA= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:b286:: with SMTP id c6mr11574265pjr.1.1569090971815; Sat, 21 Sep 2019 11:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3aab702403d9a7e0bf7246f14a5130acd464ca45.camel@gentoo.org> <20190921105536.2764e1e6@symphony.aura-online.co.uk> <8C6FAD3C-F48F-4B2D-98A5-0CD5CDEF1DF9@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <8C6FAD3C-F48F-4B2D-98A5-0CD5CDEF1DF9@gentoo.org> From: Rich Freeman Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2019 14:36:00 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [RFC] Undertakers: appeal policy To: gentoo-project Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: f8ce520e-d64d-4897-b02c-5ba402cf5c0b X-Archives-Hash: 4c32b37a818082175e2405eaf1345e8a On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 9:54 AM Richard Yao wrote: > > That said, I want to point out that our ability to move in a > constructive direction after discussion is praiseworthy. I have > recently had exposure to certain other areas of the OSS community > where disagreements are not handled well. I find our approach to > things to be a breath of fresh air in comparison. I suspect a lot of that has to do with the fact that our distro is strongly organized around some principles that are fairly unique in the FOSS world. We're source-based with an emphasis on user choice, and also stick close to upstream. The latter is fairly uncommon, and the former is basically non-existent elsewhere. So, even those who have become extremely exasperated with the overall community still tend to stick around. Our PMS is largely maintained by a former dev who many do not get along with. Our founder isn't really involved as a dev but never wanders too far and maintains a fairly friendly fork. Many who are devs have waxed and waned in activity but even after expressing extreme frustration tend to return after a break. We're also a small community, so when there are disagreements they might seem large in that context, but the number of people involved tends to still be very small. That means that there is less temptation for groups of contributors to go off and start forks. All of that has its pros and cons. The obvious pro is that it tends to keep us together and I think it really does demonstrate how a group that is fairly diverse in many ways can rally around just a few common goals, even if we sometimes disagree vigorously about all sorts of things. The obvious con is that we don't really have much of a release valve for disagreement and so battles tend to just rage on over certain things, with the distro reaching uncomfortable compromises instead of a few forks organized more closely around one principle or another. -- Rich