From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (unknown [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7264B1381FA for ; Thu, 15 May 2014 17:17:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EB767E0AF4; Thu, 15 May 2014 17:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-f176.google.com (mail-vc0-f176.google.com [209.85.220.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C058E0AF0 for ; Thu, 15 May 2014 17:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id lg15so4734043vcb.21 for ; Thu, 15 May 2014 10:17:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=Nzd7Re8l3PJzo1yR8Z0Xza+dnzK5pfjg95IMK+8tBvs=; b=bzDNsEDc4heKmKU8ssf0rv7zFF1z3nmBD5jyFf6hIgnwRyZuvGeWNgO1UkMN6UNucs +xAAf8ZoJ99MPZhlPJom6lo7iHGCTBqk8DWlDMhO2mpIYeuhaAPVirpUFZXr5jiDF5CT Jwey6UrwlSB7WmH8N5DAxg6HunF3f6RBnWa8UghprQOFIiHKNEP9SGu8cbwl25y4bI3V SC7485bvn3U3gtvn5PPBoXRzv5Ly6mctqpE+hXIO1PfWoPy9Cmz7jrZj4LFnl5HLuSBH 2vCtNHOdx6WxBc7nQKaqPmMAnDns1pnvNID31L+S8BCErOtGLbM94bXDu+vhFcLI7BoN 5Bug== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.209.233 with SMTP id mp9mr2707597vec.30.1400174220404; Thu, 15 May 2014 10:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.53.201 with HTTP; Thu, 15 May 2014 10:17:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5374A32B.9000805@gentoo.org> References: <536D2231.6030808@gentoo.org> <536E1FA7.5050704@gentoo.org> <2731252.LOkG5ql5OK@localhost> <536FE7C4.2090403@gentoo.org> <537481BE.1070609@gentoo.org> <5374A32B.9000805@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 13:17:00 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: vEyb3UYyq78ZOXLI3F1-Q1lBWAc Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] OT - Tinderbox question From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: a22a4363-b8f6-4225-8ec7-5f6d76a91997 X-Archives-Hash: 1cda1e5f1bde6b5c5093339d04580759 On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 7:21 AM, hasufell wrote: > Sergey Popov: >> And yes, we need tinderbox. But, c'mon. stop talking loudly on ML and >> get things done if you can. >> > > This is like working on patches while upstream already said "not > interested". > > Since QA doesn't think it's their job to run a tinderbox, I will work > with those people who actually care about it, instead of QA. Perhaps you should let QA speak for what it thinks its job is? Note that random posts in random bugs by random members of QA isn't the same as QA saying something. In any case, anybody who wants to run a tinderbox can run one. They can even work on a project to set up an "official" one. You don't have to be in the QA team to do QA either - you just don't have any special authority if you do so. Gentoo projects are allowed to compete. Honestly, this sort of argument can come across a bit like somebody who has never even submitted a patch asking for cvs access, being told to go contribute positively and they'll eventually get cvs access, and then whining about how Gentoo doesn't want any new developers. Don't get me wrong - I realize that you do in fact contribute quite a bit which is why you DO have commit access, so it isn't a great analogy. My point is more that the QA team couldn't hold somebody back from running a tinderbox even if they made it their sole mission in life. I do things for Gentoo because I find it interesting, and I want to give back since I benefit from it. Sure, having commit access can make it easier, but there are many who contribute to Gentoo without even that. You don't need to have a special job title to contribute in almost any way. That's the beauty of FOSS. If you want to run a tinderbox, do it! If you want to create a tinderbox project and get others to help you with it, do it! If you get something running and want an infra box to run it on, bring it up, though it would first make sense to get things working at a reduced scale. We can always find sponsors, and we get monetary donations that could potentially be used to pay for a tinderbox. What doesn't make sense is to go out and spend a lot of money on hardware and then find out that nobody has the time to do anything with it. As has been pointed out many times in the past, the CPU-hours is the least of your problems when running a tinderbox. If you can work out the process for collecting and dealing with logs/etc then getting somebody to give you plenty of cores to run it on should be easy. Rich