From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (unknown [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D837E1381FA for ; Mon, 12 May 2014 15:41:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CDED8E0B1A; Mon, 12 May 2014 15:41:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-f176.google.com (mail-vc0-f176.google.com [209.85.220.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32EA5E0B15 for ; Mon, 12 May 2014 15:41:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id lg15so8948904vcb.21 for ; Mon, 12 May 2014 08:41:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=xuZBLw6wmynunP6aaHGyPVhMiAjk+tXa2Vq3p0ceMc8=; b=YKyHKSjWUliuajsxEhyWDj1kc/e3mraajRYGHDribAGZ6tVJjR0vtkmImBhwlEu1vn tw/gLXAaMv2u3DZHaYr9ceZVdHecXRXH9OD1KYkeZVISCU6+zy9MYBgCL9/kHX3on24m svpABVSkWayBzJTrIkelwaYJdvfirgCazw44nBFy5njA/qIVoxeB0RRMbhLpY3I9eRUI WpxF+UI1tndTm3AYBPa71/JBj2kdqGCxcuYLqq/WV2fUy8ReA7lceKO/G64YtK+rCsiS Kw/DJ+x4JrI/qwqkykErlqHKZKcGn2JTDxv2KA3qe8lm8bM9hrYI9i+S7qItAqWOrC3L vNMA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.162.6 with SMTP id t6mr24171466vcx.12.1399909277362; Mon, 12 May 2014 08:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.53.201 with HTTP; Mon, 12 May 2014 08:41:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140512171955.76bcdf68@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> References: <20140509172925.29e3f212@gentoo.org> <536D13CF.2000403@gentoo.org> <536D183A.1020405@gentoo.org> <536D1C28.1010504@gentoo.org> <20140509203727.1d6a3e69@gentoo.org> <536D2231.6030808@gentoo.org> <536E1FA7.5050704@gentoo.org> <536E2CE8.1070807@gentoo.org> <20140511161420.41fce9f7@gentoo.org> <20140511185146.36e09a2d@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <20140511191827.32abfe0e@gentoo.org> <20140511195207.681d5f44@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <20140511201539.6e9aaee2@gentoo.org> <20140512021452.1f7ccd76@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <20140512022853.4084afca@gentoo.org> <20140512024213.53680e17@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <20140512025854.3f3b0ae5@gentoo.org> <20140512160423.5dae3c7a@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <20140512171955.76bcdf68@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 11:41:17 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2uIK5GBUQLUOAaomAP80J_3y3Wo Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Call For Agenda Items - 13 May 2014 From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 06e368bd-f038-461d-917c-7414aab52b83 X-Archives-Hash: 4e7ca69e01dec22b1ed4847bca5e7ebd On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Mon, 12 May 2014 10:22:56 -0400 > Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Jeroen Roovers >> wrote: >> > >> > I don't know what to say now. >> >> Not picking on you in particular, I think this thread jumped the shark >> and is now stomping on it. It makes my eyes bleed. > > How is it that on mailing lists, discussions always take too long? > Maybe the Council should decide on a proper cutoff depth or length. Well, there is no such thing as a discussion which is too long. However, there does come a point where everybody is just treading over the same points over and over. People can keep posting if they want to, but I doubt it will affect the outcome of a vote. It just wastes everybody's time. Speaking for myself, I try to look at a debate, maybe poke and prod at it a little to see if anything lurks under a stone, and then take it all in and try to make the best call. I do tend to look at how widely-supported an argument is, though the strength of the argument itself matters more. How many times the argument gets made really doesn't concern me all that much. So, regurgitating your own argument basically adds nothing, but a simple ++ to somebody else's adds a little, and saying something that nobody has yet to point out adds most of all. Rich