From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C7661382C5 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 00:13:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F0120E0BA6; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 00:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pl0-x243.google.com (mail-pl0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c01::243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE885E0BA4 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 00:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pl0-x243.google.com with SMTP id v3so5783441plg.3 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 16:13:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=d7vTBL6g12MjGjZKKFKaCh7vS82aH+Zw2p79grc8Oe8=; b=RaTLiRzxqTLdyMrtGnD+e4kanrfI2xC8Mm+3ARGeYX8Q8qIZP3+jpseR/OBg6pCd/6 XwnY7ImHnJnQwGXAb9CGsp6t5psBsi0xk/fICVbQxcWUqvEzY4xjnmcTvJPO8ts1d0hK n89KVoCMhv9zmp33PdU/5UeAyVtdoIM/DVWZnUiAnOZ6ol1Hz829iUSFzJz10eA8qTeF vCiffJ1axy+XIcbtPKqR6L9FqpFHo1YLYFqqImCsvaF1ZjGcIEIXreBD+CcXYhZ9Tzov YS416s3EvZ6mV6D9ElolHz9bXUZUMQ1tZe/QZLEYcvg6ExUcPLriV6Rk+oaQHgWS1ysc buFg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=d7vTBL6g12MjGjZKKFKaCh7vS82aH+Zw2p79grc8Oe8=; b=HhB45TbgEhVTPFU2C80M4e4pNn8qith7FRohl/rRWn7N8xgQJoHMC4lD6h3qGYy2Au HvJVCsBJ0TxkhEVSTTa8ciev1m5U4/SAS9D9Te8OnkHTTC1G7Pw1mW3XW+lA02Gn4KFq duf0XzrmNp4kd2b2Axcr0/9dIU+Y/XQhPB5b94dkTTexmLAfJneDxrEOxphyfbaheVgc 41xupcovXQhgh5J8m8n1TftF46mj935oaE5tzYUiQKGfMH62DBQCgFW/XnRQrYG+rE30 z6oeOCF0PbdwbcY24HHsMY/EVJClmSv7EOkJq+wHGOJeZkG8vPsF32jeLLx4+ofR13/3 nZ7w== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPACSvxvr90ayeEGs3E+cg/dIlPP4WcaTkaCt+9UHtU3LEx9zQ2l Y6SXWqCsUU2jwWrkGG8pzjeifGAqZCj+a0NKXGkWOw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x227ewAEEi5HIsZP8aVY0TDArMWVREpcsaysAwqZRU6skdg58ODmZuwERJ9Vm4ylaT/CCc7TnBz3JKJNAR9Osy3Y= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:24a5:: with SMTP id w34-v6mr3074988pla.221.1518480820269; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 16:13:40 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.100.134.1 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 16:13:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <0e524e2f-126d-8a35-b5f3-542709c822de@iee.org> References: <20180211224234.GB6747@linux1.home> <23169.22344.839501.980448@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <41f31ee3-d707-e9c6-03b0-fa57543445c7@gentoo.org> <23170.7425.923002.261321@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <0e524e2f-126d-8a35-b5f3-542709c822de@iee.org> From: Rich Freeman Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 19:13:39 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 70n3JXOvNVZfHlDU3FOUfxIxsG0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] rfc: council members and appeals To: gentoo-project Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 01f6020c-05ee-44e1-8b1d-3e9a309235e0 X-Archives-Hash: 699159dffa0553383e0b70dc10a43a4b On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 6:40 PM, M. J. Everitt wrote: > On 12/02/18 23:02, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> Can you provide us with an example when such a scenario has happened >> in the past 12 years of council, or is the above purely hypothetical? >> Because in the latter case it is not an actual problem that needs to >> be solved. >> >> It is not a game of Nomic that we're playing here, but we are trying >> to run a distro. IMHO precluding council members from participating in >> projects isn't helpful. Or do we really want a council that is sitting >> in an ivory tower, completely detached from the daily distro work? >> > Uhm, what's the difference .. the council already live in their own land > separate from most of the developers, and definitely from the user > community at large ? > > Or at least, such is the perception .. [don't shoot the messenger and > all that] > Such is your perception. Most developers just cast their votes, and hence the same council members keep getting re-elected. I doubt that would happen if most developers considered them aloof, especially since the Council has always attracted a significant number of election candidates. You can't judge something like this by mailing list posts. -- Rich