From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (unknown [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859531381FA for ; Sat, 10 May 2014 02:13:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 872BBE096C; Sat, 10 May 2014 02:13:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ve0-f180.google.com (mail-ve0-f180.google.com [209.85.128.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4D46E0957 for ; Sat, 10 May 2014 02:13:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f180.google.com with SMTP id db12so6242127veb.11 for ; Fri, 09 May 2014 19:13:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=r+1SZEo3PaChNjwX/frUUNUuDcLuesw8W+4sDw28bZE=; b=qCwWbAPISFBtStZEZqmMmHGc8TMrIiAzRwIwpIG+aheFxExS3pVr1ORwyljMKhACjX E/gpkgPcXVOD7yY0Kxs9zdZg9SvVpmyiQ2wrZgi/vpJxzI5rwl3+xRY/qS9NbJgBPsfl Tl+5Ey/VPBsGa2RQp0/ugtWQmYuJtAN5EQP7kJ9v1Vef3qkDDo9Ar7tvTvl5B5Oag8q2 h0VjyFIeln/qtnAdzpbSWkT5sUsVENOMbSrTmoyJaJZHjNZRjWBo/JFI+9LWCL4Boiq8 qi52o0wgFFONjirOK9wd1I3w9ZgWRIm4/QDLYIQv7JR7m8JyOeHLwwHWrprEgyUHPu3h c1rw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.13.41 with SMTP id e9mr9344541vdc.21.1399688005860; Fri, 09 May 2014 19:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.53.201 with HTTP; Fri, 9 May 2014 19:13:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2494968.RL10ZYJ7qd@localhost> References: <20140509172925.29e3f212@gentoo.org> <536D13CF.2000403@gentoo.org> <2494968.RL10ZYJ7qd@localhost> Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 22:13:25 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: hMpzUs7ozdcZLw-QQPnz7piyxDc Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Tinderbox and building everything From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 0747eb32-927a-41c7-869e-1aecb76703b7 X-Archives-Hash: fad7798acb4528ceedb28f6975f19c85 On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > THAT is the bottleneck - getting people motivated to triage logs (which can be > automated quite far) and file bugs (which is demotivating and exhausting). You > fix that problem and the rest is easy ... Agree for the most part. Also, nobody needs "permission" to run a tinderbox. If you want to run one, just do it! Complaining about other people not doing it isn't terribly productive. The typical tinderbox approach I've seen is that you have a suite of tests that get run as frequently as the box can manage, and if a test fails everybody stops committing and cleans up the tree. Such a model basically makes dealing with errors everybody's problem, and not just the tinderbox guy's. The problem is that with something like Gentoo the permutations are fairly extensive, the tree is extremely diverse, and I could see countless arguments about what constitutes an error that needs to be fixed. That might be part of why nobody wants to run a tinderbox. If you want to find bugs, though, a real easy way to start is to just unpack the current stage3, set the profile to kde or gnome, stick gnome/kde-meta in world, and do an emerge -auDNv world. There is a decent chance that you'll run into a build failure, just like anybody trying to install Gentoo for the first time. Seems like a good place to start if anybody wants to do a tinderbox (note that I haven't done this too recently - for a while I was doing it monthly and filing bugs fairly consistently)... Rich