From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23051387FD for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 02:33:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D397E09DE; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 02:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-f178.google.com (mail-vc0-f178.google.com [209.85.220.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80025E08DC for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 02:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id im17so7475881vcb.9 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2014 19:33:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=uRrBNzqn6pAv70x6SRSlwlYN38GSzTs4mBomCe7SPRQ=; b=bliknuUoWTTnJZZE+ick6q043rOWeUsTHF8Z815QXr1iSwPTKZ/CxvNM2LOP4dqPvk d+PoQP+G7BBJsa0iiwaQCAGsZlfL9rgktKAD2kn/yw/cdcuVgm9+F0DQwvVwa01jaiy2 UftxtNFcYzyLxIiMbJAy/WuVGsbhlIKty7toDM85le91OO2JnMEMTkiTfSGR/Ulwofsl o94bYEku0o/fLe1hSGLwGBGSnnsObDVUMfV3uaoqj6ydfpVgg6sjzglJD5fLo5AtMXBA 74kBNBD3CnQqrGQCzJ1jUdXvyuzwiuQU/HSTwDPsd5twIoSbEXo5Y2ZRCdZAK/4btndl +Jww== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.161.8 with SMTP id p8mr15404730vcx.4.1396146792742; Sat, 29 Mar 2014 19:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.29.142 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Mar 2014 19:33:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140330022034.GA1151@laptop.home> References: <53342A5F.70903@gentoo.org> <5336D386.6080609@opensource.dyc.edu> <20140329143634.GA31923@laptop.home> <201403300012.55229.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <20140330003709.GA733@laptop.home> <20140330022034.GA1151@laptop.home> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 22:33:12 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: tKPOhwfbvnt0W7cANv1IgSuUyCU Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-04-08 From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: 59fbe829-38af-4f2a-8ce2-ef02fa9faa47 X-Archives-Hash: 333f9e815cdb90c54e21354ec607d7f6 On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 10:20 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 09:35:32PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:37 PM, William Hubbs wrote: >> > Some how we need to focus on getting people to respect each other and >> > the policies we already have, and quite frankly, if they won't do that, >> > removing them from the community. >> >> Alas, we cannot afford to drive people away any more than we can >> afford to let them drive others away... > > I agree, I'm just not sure how to make that happen. I don't think though > that the answer is more policies/red tape. And neither is ignoring the problem. I was just venting my frustration, as are many others. I think that this is just a really great idea that suffered because of how it was implemented, and all the subsequent reactions and counter-reactions. We need to move on, and I think all of us can learn something from what happened. I think your posts were right-on. Rich