From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634EA59CA3 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 15:58:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 103FA21C00B; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 15:58:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f177.google.com (mail-ig0-f177.google.com [209.85.213.177]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8190D21C001 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 15:57:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f177.google.com with SMTP id vf5so20377079igb.0 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 07:57:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IB/FfLipY4q4rQm10poaCoGcQTcpxxe74kOi9sTELDs=; b=tU4/fwvjFMQtmZnAfcpBepMJdtXYRWDmXQg1ZUdoTuzKS2POYuUFRpQKSUBgtCwRpz l5E+izyN7gOlCDHQ9yxYCb7bIb3fMws7iC8v41F6TLaIfJBXf+8KC2WsIwqc+pT5E07f 56Q9jCSILS51mz4qBZKzwOq9iCzHlkYPDgsr6NPBGN7XTG4gleJhD4hxXFQGLFii50ni 7HtHGdROtvu8AVxQOynRVB9s3sSJGucYe2WmciHZwBKl+9tu+VlSdb4r4L51JgnvDG7l PqwFR8rWVxc7VWfS5vaOQXC+SEfE5UjN9rcdSHtbrPTJcShr1A5XJboo6v/SZNltRseB pMAQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IB/FfLipY4q4rQm10poaCoGcQTcpxxe74kOi9sTELDs=; b=AKOqdDJWorAQJ4gUpTJ7g3xOAvLq1xmqzixurXpnFifspmqjZpxRFPVydNhOTh/Yzi zvRBrEwmGOrSkgfytwR2TFmODpUm59R/YX1C7iuloi3ncSvuvGnYiOu2BaG3aC9J5rCH /BmV4eHNFSXP2QIcV0aAexIyuYnNyDo6yzKhXrzIy6YYnQ+tJkZ0dyAe+rh0wVVdHIOH vHlYDO8Zjg1InUeG8ZnRmdB5tqNYSLoHHXhl1nCknsrlICALNNIGUT+m4tioH6geEY3q kV/ifNJaKT3GULO9DK/3Cfhpc0ZJGQWliz6rikgUbiSoFjDldljEfetqJIXi+rphcW7h y/1g== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJIX2c96axx+qJR5HjjaDzxJWHdcOPkMn7U1kvoGTZKIllry9ewlMxaiBQ0Ixiy4xuKYIa23dsMLsq4fvw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.64.146 with SMTP id o18mr4334270igs.51.1457625478561; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 07:57:58 -0800 (PST) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.225.232 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 07:57:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <56E19413.7010104@gentoo.org> References: <201603091737.08676.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <3ae210b4-8e4a-4e3f-8f84-982484872354@gentoo.org> <56E19413.7010104@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 10:57:58 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: NKfsbgPQzq5Nm8NVXXJl011VLoc Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Council meeting 2016-03-13 From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: a3efbdb2-98b5-4ac8-9339-b364a471515e X-Archives-Hash: f3b13202b795c973553ef1aaefbefd7f On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Ch=C3=AD-Thanh Christopher Nguy=E1=BB=85n wrote: > Rich Freeman schrieb: >> >> I think the intent is to get stuff like this into PMS or change it, >> not to just start breaking things arbitrarily. > > That interpretation is a bit at odds with the wording "We introduce a har= d > deadline when all this should be fixed." > I'll let Andreas comment on his intent there. I'm not sure how a deadline could actually work. If we know about an issue today, setting a deadline won't really make anybody resolve it faster. If we judge that treecleaning the affected packages wouldn't be a big problem we could always set a deadline and then treeclean, but obviously if it is a toolchain package that isn't going to work. Long-term, if an issue comes up in a critical package we can't just say that it is after the deadline and therefore it is fine for package managers to break it the next day. This is the reality with anything concerning specifications. If the software doesn't do what the specs say, it is definitely a bug, but it isn't always a bug with the software. That's why we pay humans to deal with these kinds of problems, and we pay the people who deal with them well a lot more. --=20 Rich