From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9836A139085 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 20:40:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 770AA2340DE; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 20:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qt0-x242.google.com (mail-qt0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44A7D23402E for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 20:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt0-x242.google.com with SMTP id w20so346784qtb.1 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 12:40:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=LlHgYD9yAiQpf57FOjYgBnsGLGNKAqcmvDyi/vIfagY=; b=QH59HAZngSoG6eOaKRtW2+l1JdsxCqn5rBkd6KPH3EBxmY3TVAdwYWL6LTzGw0w8Od rLtT+FLafqKB/0Y6+oObejrLUHh120oVoBE8uu30SMNaTCBRgKMvUOuVXHa+nTNqRfIq yHj4oIcqVxNWME4RQTSzCOQ08GcfERs2ySVF4e+nEcWaR1j7seRPfI0+62n+h/WvAc9M bOBZCAYtbZ18aLuke2/VhiIyuP0EE+GNgZz3BRIOMxn96XJnikXNi5vwh2oWIFjE+R5V 0VPAyoKvDniFhqg9K2zmdiDZVPrSYMHluuS55LiizHouX0LDkRkMsqS0sKDUEOnBjKPX VpZA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=LlHgYD9yAiQpf57FOjYgBnsGLGNKAqcmvDyi/vIfagY=; b=Oz1M41HxqHF6QLUBCCOT3JS87rvqr1ruCdcBuUu1o8AEzrASUDl5FJu4crofGML8sB aKusk/t8qr0MeOe/vJT3a9BQRhafd0QJMvX0OKZza3bVLYT1mFaXbRZc7OoqJZ7IGc6L L0RFmqKDczWMhQ8WcdiamLDIf4hrHrVxVxYnScgH4Uw0tAsf4J0FdCmhf2tuhsY7VvX/ 1FrjlC7WRl74HE3sfJu/kBuEWejZG0chCZk+gaM182ELM8IVN600hCW7UOASEKnqQxvU RB1HzY8KyaBE5cGiIoIxZpi1Nrs/d3AoCW8zCqeQr8hCgH9sSuJcDbUyiat/wr3HuH1p ATVg== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXInLmAG5v987+iVOdcS7Ky4ZbBHTVeTDgkH04QvY2NlllmNPXn3ogjh1tXnJbGOV6eW/SToyTZBhrbWJg== X-Received: by 10.55.184.3 with SMTP id i3mr32241097qkf.234.1485376811806; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 12:40:11 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.140.16.132 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 12:40:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <35d4687b-4cbd-cf79-254c-c7476c06bb3a@gentoo.org> <22645.58328.521107.564927@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <1d601c44-e136-382d-54f4-27d3437dfcc5@gentoo.org> <87r349iy3d.fsf@kestrel.kyomu.43-1.org> From: Rich Freeman Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 15:40:10 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: eAXqc00tupzH7wJ7rOEmoDCc1k4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Merging Trustees and Council / Developers and Foundation - 1.0 reply To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 72aaf8f4-22bf-49ee-9777-459d4fa53bdc X-Archives-Hash: 4ae4ae11808665661d5db2b69cf5075e On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 3:32 PM, Matthew Thode wrote: > > The way I see it is that Gentoo would basically remain as the status > quo, with some slight differences in reporting structure. > Keep in mind that the changes in reporting structure make it NOT the status quo. Today you need to elect people you trust to deal with dispute resolution to the Council, and people who you trust to file taxes to the Trustees. Under the new proposal you basically need to elect people you trust to deal with dispute resolution and taxes to the Trustees. Honestly I'm not sure why we'd even have the Council since we already have QA and if somebody doesn't like a Council decision it will end up with the Trustees anyway, if only for them to decide whether or not they want to deal with it. People who would otherwise be interested in Council can just run for the Trustees and override all the Council decisions, and ignore the finances if it bores them. :) My main concern is finding people who are both the most trusted people where it comes to disputes and who are trusted to handle the finances is going to be difficult. For things that don't involve disputes you don't need any kind of escalation body since regular projects can deal with that stuff already. Dealing with disputes is inevitably going to fall on whoever has the final decision, because it is the nature of people in disputes to appeal anything less than that. -- Rich