From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7687138A1A for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 22:09:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E656BE091D; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 22:09:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-f182.google.com (mail-pd0-f182.google.com [209.85.192.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28109E090B for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 22:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pdjz10 with SMTP id z10so4103258pdj.12 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:09:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=KwhVDD9n69EnmTzdW57CnjWwEkBfA7JfYFo7DNNoZzI=; b=rjYNRqI44agBWSe8DV0UCNsg8INwng5ZmLZCl2mHV55Lt1rhtP3zdv7h1wy90KNo/t N6l9AS55H/3vovrOSpCq5ERo7xUCEHzsQj9X8p1Dst3PnrrcTl1h/bT1Rt4SxGvGM76j Rey2gYbaQ1OXVnOLvARB4uyh+M4mLTnqy2ODa/OG8daVgD2jewmrD2Dyj+PIEtXBB4sY Lh2uH6hCd2rkJdV1OqcGu0G1kGJnws5uc/DFIn4C7+zcFmsPamzP5+3sdj/G91QY1pLB EicGL7NZot/R49EtzTC199mkWaOhYw7FS9Tnh4s31YOzW0QSM0dUkALkm3hYqhD27YWP qSag== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.70.27.99 with SMTP id s3mr2118078pdg.103.1424297366094; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:09:26 -0800 (PST) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.70.85.39 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:09:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201502142148.30540.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <54E007A4.5050504@gentoo.org> <54E16381.8020409@gentoo.org> <54E411BA.4090502@gentoo.org> <54E4D25A.70708@gentoo.org> <54E4DE30.2010205@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:09:25 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Gex4PY3VOpmQ0FsPpj2_bRXvW1w Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo, GitHub, and the Social Contract From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 04ec74bd-44ca-4266-a366-0114c2dfa7d8 X-Archives-Hash: 85e730f9220aa7ba6c4db34a678bfcaa On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Matt Turner wrote: > On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:47 AM, hasufell wrote: >> >> My point is that the team violated the social contract. > > You don't get it. What's done is done. Suggesting that they simply > release everything as is this right this very second is irresponsible. > Seems like there is interest all around in opening things up more. That is a good thing. We've been living with this for 10 years - we can take our time to fix it correctly. Scolding a team that already wants to help us all out isn't the right approach. I like Robin's "kickstarter" suggestion in general as a potential way to improve things. I'll probably comment further in the other thread... -- Rich