[gentoo-project] council meeting agenda, mar 12

[gentoo-project] council meeting agenda, mar 12

[William Hubbs]

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All,

The following is a draft of the council meeting agenda for Mar 12.

1. roll call

2. bugs with council involvement

3. open floor

Note: bugs with council involvement will cover the $Id$ issue unless
someone thinks we need a separate bullet point for it.

Let me know if I need to make any changes.

Thanks,

William


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Re: [gentoo-project] council meeting agenda, mar 12

[Daniel Campbell]

On 03/07/2017 10:19 AM, William Hubbs wrote:
> All,
>
> The following is a draft of the council meeting agenda for Mar 12.
>
> 1. roll call
>
> 2. bugs with council involvement
>
> 3. open floor
>
> Note: bugs with council involvement will cover the $Id$ issue unless
> someone thinks we need a separate bullet point for it.
>
> Let me know if I need to make any changes.
>
> Thanks,
>
> William
>
Will there be an e-mail on dev-announce if the council makes a decision 
on $Id$ and friends? I'm working during the meeting and don't want to 
add work for others the next time I touch an ebuild.

If there's already an easy way to find council decisions like this, 
pardon my ignorance.
-- 
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Re: [gentoo-project] council meeting agenda, mar 12

[Michał Górny]

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W dniu 11.03.2017, sob o godzinie 22∶39 -0800, użytkownik Daniel
Campbell napisał:
> On 03/07/2017 10:19 AM, William Hubbs wrote:
> > All,
> > 
> > The following is a draft of the council meeting agenda for Mar 12.
> > 
> > 1. roll call
> > 
> > 2. bugs with council involvement
> > 
> > 3. open floor
> > 
> > Note: bugs with council involvement will cover the $Id$ issue unless
> > someone thinks we need a separate bullet point for it.
> > 
> > Let me know if I need to make any changes.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > William
> > 
> 
> Will there be an e-mail on dev-announce if the council makes a decision 
> on $Id$ and friends? I'm working during the meeting and don't want to 
> add work for others the next time I touch an ebuild.
> 
> If there's already an easy way to find council decisions like this, 
> pardon my ignorance.

The Council has already dealt with this. You'd notice if you looked
at the code instead of just the mailing lists.

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny

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Re: [gentoo-project] council meeting agenda, mar 12

[Mike Frysinger]

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On 12 Mar 2017 08:35, Michał Górny wrote:
> W dniu 11.03.2017, sob o godzinie 22∶39 -0800, użytkownik Daniel
> Campbell napisał:
> > On 03/07/2017 10:19 AM, William Hubbs wrote:
> > > The following is a draft of the council meeting agenda for Mar 12.
> > > 
> > > 1. roll call
> > > 
> > > 2. bugs with council involvement
> > > 
> > > 3. open floor
> > > 
> > > Note: bugs with council involvement will cover the $Id$ issue unless
> > > someone thinks we need a separate bullet point for it.
> > > 
> > > Let me know if I need to make any changes.
> > 
> > Will there be an e-mail on dev-announce if the council makes a decision 
> > on $Id$ and friends? I'm working during the meeting and don't want to 
> > add work for others the next time I touch an ebuild.
> > 
> > If there's already an easy way to find council decisions like this, 
> > pardon my ignorance.
> 
> The Council has already dealt with this. You'd notice if you looked
> at the code instead of just the mailing lists.

there's no need for this hostile tone and has no place here.
you could have simply answered his question.
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-project] council meeting agenda, mar 12

[Rich Freeman]

On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> If there's already an easy way to find council decisions like this, pardon
> my ignorance.

Council decisions are generally made in meetings, and posted in the
summaries at:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council/Meeting_logs

For whatever reason this decision was pushed a bit and is in a bug:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611234

Speaking personally I didn't mind voting this way since it was mostly
just a re-iteration of the previous decision, and it had been hashed
out on the lists.

I believe it is on the agenda for today mainly to get it into the
summary so that it isn't lost in bugzilla.  I don't really expect much
further discussion.

The decision was:

The council confirms its earlier decision (2014-10-14 meeting) to drop
CVS headers after migration to Git.

1) Any $Id$ and $Header$ lines are to be removed from ebuilds and
eclasses in the gentoo repository, as well as from other files, e.g.,
metadata, profiles, and files (except patches) in FILESDIR.

2) Removal should be done at once, and a repoman check should be
implemented to prevent such lines from accidentally being inserted
again.

3) Infra is asked not to expand any $Id$ or other keywords, neither at
rsync generation time, nor via git attributes in the development
repository."

-- 
Rich

Re: [gentoo-project] council meeting agenda, mar 12

[Daniel Campbell]

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On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 09:33:35AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >
> > If there's already an easy way to find council decisions like this, pardon
> > my ignorance.
> 
> Council decisions are generally made in meetings, and posted in the
> summaries at:
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council/Meeting_logs
> 
> For whatever reason this decision was pushed a bit and is in a bug:
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611234
> 
> Speaking personally I didn't mind voting this way since it was mostly
> just a re-iteration of the previous decision, and it had been hashed
> out on the lists.
> 
> I believe it is on the agenda for today mainly to get it into the
> summary so that it isn't lost in bugzilla.  I don't really expect much
> further discussion.
> 
> The decision was:
> 
> The council confirms its earlier decision (2014-10-14 meeting) to drop
> CVS headers after migration to Git.
> 
> 1) Any $Id$ and $Header$ lines are to be removed from ebuilds and
> eclasses in the gentoo repository, as well as from other files, e.g.,
> metadata, profiles, and files (except patches) in FILESDIR.
> 
> 2) Removal should be done at once, and a repoman check should be
> implemented to prevent such lines from accidentally being inserted
> again.
> 
> 3) Infra is asked not to expand any $Id$ or other keywords, neither at
> rsync generation time, nor via git attributes in the development
> repository."
> 
> -- 
> Rich
> 

Thanks for taking the time to point readers in the right direction. I
did as mgorny told me last night. I found a single bug and a commented
out portion of code in the repoman branch of portage.git. It took some
digging to learn what you covered above.

The git migration happened quite a while ago, so it'll be nice to see
ebuilds with a little less boilerplate. What pushed the decision back so
far it was reconfirmed? Assuming the tooling already exists to replace
the functionality that was intended [1], it seems like we're due to get
this behind us. :)

To confirm: going forward, maintainers don't need to edit their old
ebuilds, but repoman will yell at you if any *new* files get added and
have $Id$. Do I have that right?

Thanks again for being constructive.


[1] I believe git can do that with some hook magic

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