From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6332F138334 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 20:56:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D912E08A0; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 20:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pl1-f174.google.com (mail-pl1-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3158E086F for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 20:56:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pl1-f174.google.com with SMTP id cv12so10130802plb.9 for ; Tue, 09 Apr 2019 13:56:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=w1F5fBxplWEEIhDkGhJrqTrY83+v4y8Ne2JokLh/QnY=; b=lCIqVHX2mNEJvvmJf0vfMzk+QuKVSV28jFdvQ0G2eZQG4S8qHtU5l95+G0oDv1jfSF WAAWc9Xc6nXQ36vFDA0imBzdyjHt/U6SjKjGoAgdoyE+7aVDHKlmU4aA5Dk0CkGDzEmC hOyaXNqqvWbedl12wxmz8I4vhA0s8LJnayftsIoEosQ34HBBnwamM+iXytndqYLMYYQK C3LjucdB1RILurkGfplCWtrfntZNbi0CF3kqBgFTAuhUma0I0DUO+rpsRyxkXhIMb+J4 V8+t5f+l7WmMjwCxzjgXfhiMKRzNz3mewQXaES1Smq6OJ/pZ0mwuxX7PSzHVMTw5GXGE hysg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVUnWUo3tF1BPfNUNMS1MfQM9X3akuxTY7ueqLbT1ixPdE1NOTJ RtQq3vK/BdeXSgHoc11ADXO33qTe6OSExTMx6ni+1Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzNNcnbAP0lskyb6NkMDMYfzkonT9VHzI1mBzYBefn9rENPeZkHM3A3wKRsL6md8cA+AGwA+JOG75by1wm/lCA= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:8604:: with SMTP id f4mr28953908plo.245.1554843378213; Tue, 09 Apr 2019 13:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190401032055.GA9497@linux1.home> <4bbfc34f-335f-5521-310a-b66ffd0d9a9a@gentoo.org> <5e30d658-80c8-b608-1505-dc08db3625bf@gentoo.org> <20190403174315.32615d3b9574571e3ed4a399@gentoo.org> <80ed2e482e96c96555bf4fd9331731c4c9ad0d7f.camel@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: From: Rich Freeman Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 16:56:07 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] call for agenda items -- council meeting 2019-04-14 To: gentoo-project Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: c3fef603-3387-49c4-9b6b-02f09bb83f7d X-Archives-Hash: 0521bc927b9844717e85a9c50f70270b On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 4:45 PM Alec Warner wrote: > > That being said I don't intend to forge a policy that is bullet-proof. If I cannot trust fellow project members to act well, they might as well just leave the project now. ++ Ultimately if somebody with commit access wants to create trouble there are a lot of things they can do that are far more harmful than using a fake name. I think we just need to be reasonable. Usually the standard that is used in courts at least in the US is reasonable care, and it has no hard definition, other than basically being the amount of care a normal person would exercise to do the right thing. If you want to find out whether something is or isn't reasonable care the easiest way is to get sued, or sue somebody else, and then after a few years you get an answer, and maybe a judgment. I think there are probably some legal benefits to requiring a real name, but personally I think there are more benefits beyond that. I think it tends to create a more professional atmosphere when people are conversing with "Alec Warner" and not "Boaty McBoatface" or whatever. Also, having some kind of reputational risk probably does help cut down on the trolling somewhat. Maybe... If you wanted to put Gentoo on your resume would you really want a potential employer to Google it and find articles by people like "420forlife?" I think this sort of thing can help set the tone for the community. That's just my opinion... -- Rich