From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D6D138A1A for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 00:19:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 79808E0845; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 00:19:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f53.google.com (mail-pa0-f53.google.com [209.85.220.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2751E0843 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 00:19:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pabkx10 with SMTP id kx10so11869495pab.0 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:19:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=OAzglT2VmKgOhGc+ag2ypEuh3XKXIBDf2RFq2aeYwdk=; b=VqBK+xGijvPxOJaIuWRJKBveJhRDTnBkuMzs4aYlfIN4qLVX54l855drTkKz+Gu53m fqTKToUYm8fAMzSpHHhPOOe8tBSGg0imcCcr3jzuF6pyCkXHX0Oz39ZWbCoq+BxobDPm U8MkpF+aA3H8IRluV9VwmkhWEALRV2kP/H8LNK0gM4kJT5afrP0m0TiMA5S2wPgoyEeC 3eZ6rbMu4Mo1tqF1p5xCXQ0jHNjthQT/cJ6jA23ksQLd0Q/Z1IDWBWr545kzUnmJgeq+ HUztkDRwLJaB7Qtib4gg9W2vVCtq3U0YI3QWqWJzt+BZQS0aKdsdTS5MCZTGGMa1pDlF yw8g== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.254.40 with SMTP id af8mr349701pad.65.1424477983846; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:19:43 -0800 (PST) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.70.85.39 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:19:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54E7A19E.3070805@gentoo.org> References: <201502142148.30540.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <54E007A4.5050504@gentoo.org> <54E16381.8020409@gentoo.org> <54E411BA.4090502@gentoo.org> <54E4D25A.70708@gentoo.org> <54E4DE30.2010205@gentoo.org> <54E7A19E.3070805@gentoo.org> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 19:19:43 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: x83fCLeoeCa1UbNzLXlZdvW7qg0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo, GitHub, and the Social Contract From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 444a6533-23e0-4069-9fe6-302f44dd62e0 X-Archives-Hash: f525ea4baf69b00df5c7bfa9915eb978 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 4:05 PM, hasufell wrote: > Rich Freeman: >> >> I like Robin's "kickstarter" suggestion in general as a potential way >> to improve things. I'll probably comment further in the other >> thread... >> > > I think the solution is to make less pressure on infra. That way we are > also less dependant on infra. > > This would be easily possible if gentoo was a collection of high-quality > overlays sharing the same base of policies and having tight > communication for inter-overlay matters, e.g. with a central bug tracker. > I certainly agree that we should try to focus on the elements of infra that are most essential. However, I'm not sure that your suggestion will necessarily reduce the impact on infra. Moving lots of stuff to overlays doesn't get rid of the need for a git repo unless we move EVERYTHING to overlays that aren't hosted by Gentoo. We might reduce the number of mirrors we need if we stop mirroring some packages, but we won't eliminate the need for mirrors unless we don't mirror anything. Etc. I imagine 95% of the burden of infra is in providing services at all. If we didn't host any mailing lists, that would reduce infra. If we just retired a few lists, that wouldn't really make much difference. Just something to keep in mind when trying to reduce our scope. I do generally think we should be thinking about what services are most important to host ourselves vs just utilizing stuff that is out there. -- Rich