From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA0FE139694 for ; Thu, 11 May 2017 19:57:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CBF66E0CC1; Thu, 11 May 2017 19:57:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yb0-x22a.google.com (mail-yb0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c09::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0AF1E0CB4 for ; Thu, 11 May 2017 19:57:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yb0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id p143so9234143yba.2 for ; Thu, 11 May 2017 12:57:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=c0ECEPt30yXPY01axTCl2qRL4A8fsUVOBHluGRcRDXE=; b=X9qzRj2zIZilUayIeGAFXl4ZTCCPdmNdMNxX99hlOSkhG1VZLC1egrWVHaJHW2g3aE WkIsxO7QR4PyoZLKvZbzg0c0+WeiOtEFqdyC6iHG31ELqJDuV8ArCg+JxZhiSfa4nksP q2x5pHHDBluIc+zVF7gJEc6dl9Up9zv1YXWZJc2D553uuar3NF1g93axCQOF29NgLmry 4lbyLLZJRTnDYqfyi9bRaYLbGuyxsKndXIzg9RKqQiMY+YLx1YnAsIZAmaY1LifCF9We k7aK1cRYgprBNW6ZsxreURvs/dDEowdWyac8t8WOVCp+B913r+TJX9ysivG4RwcWh3dH adpw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=c0ECEPt30yXPY01axTCl2qRL4A8fsUVOBHluGRcRDXE=; b=X66BwCwK6W2oF6ZoOiBUhHue7lLDb2fZqbp+oZ2vXRUGRZMnRL6iqd4iqTg1lyxG4/ +u6wo47QFLqnPAknQbEsOKnXc83BmZNxURsmAHeWip20UK1fTA5IVdOFwXHhjUb3+U20 +RbyI4mq3EtekK+3881a7LPr0QlR+FN+pQsQkXWDCxkJmaZrjoDmWz1Dxl2VXvMpIh4a j3kzPgWi27AQTI6NTQVj64aDM9EdZycye6ppGcxpQi81UT62dmCwebnfPGO8x1uvCECs lMIp1ygCV9niCSfawocl4BnaSySbRf1xiBGgTnjiGDGicqvoVMTfucuZEqzK3yvl/HdL VI3g== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcDcSP4XyA8ni2RUmFt4s7sAtZgltP8jMx/f/JTYjuMLLEGk3OK9 P73C+zMPpjIvYYkxy5BU4DcoM9IUtlT6 X-Received: by 10.37.24.213 with SMTP id 204mr264565yby.4.1494532672788; Thu, 11 May 2017 12:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.129.131.8 with HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2017 12:57:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20170511184513.3c2997a0@gentp.lnet> References: <0ac908a7-9875-f629-fa0c-0c85945e1185@gentoo.org> <871srvx3o8.fsf@kestrel.kyomu.43-1.org> <20170511184513.3c2997a0@gentp.lnet> From: Rich Freeman Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 15:57:52 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: SoUbADaIXQz3ChIO7Nxj6hrmsHo Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Items for Council Agenda, May 14 To: gentoo-project Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 242d0b90-b377-4a52-afd8-9f35dd703bdf X-Archives-Hash: 1f3753b19c53c27124cb6f915c6c9032 On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Luis Ressel wrote: > On Thu, 11 May 2017 02:17:59 -0500 > Matthias Maier wrote: > >> I ask the council to establish a procedure / team to moderate the >> gentoo-project@ and gentoo-dev@ mailing lists: > > I really don't see the point of this. Yes, there are a few messages on > our mailing lists that some of us don't want to see. But as long as > we're not drowning in in a tsunami of spam that practically DOSes our > infrastructure, I think we're better of letting the *readers* take care > of filtering. > The obvious counterargument is that they'll take care of the filtering by simply unsubscribing. We don't want people to avoid us. If somebody looks at our list archives and see lots of flames, they may be discouraged from participating. If somebody posts a bug and somebody replies saying that xyz on Gentoo is dead and that you'd be better off on another distro, they'll probably take that advice ensuring xyz remains dead. Etc. It is a bit of "we will not hide problems" vs "not hiding problems actually causes those problems." Suicide by social contract? -- Rich