From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8561381F3 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 16:35:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AFC9FE08AF; Wed, 1 May 2013 16:35:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vb0-f52.google.com (mail-vb0-f52.google.com [209.85.212.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17C39E0866 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 16:35:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id q16so1364782vbe.11 for ; Wed, 01 May 2013 09:35:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=p1e2Ndb8xjPoVv5ytvVFzo/iZNfcp/DD+/EvrVhISXE=; b=CGaJ0pXY2/f7k0fP9i0+ILrHyh0XPXgnKmCILIc0HUPva9+b9nNNMQ0yU1qsoAEdGO U/j8gdLH75LFULw48eKCGxYGCIB4FJdcrKEsT37+eEkpa9sihECF7s4KAdy7IAghlObN HU3wZqhIS3rScEuHdiIvI0jLnq8nz7GBgfwM8JN2H/q0iAWYNZYU5+9kixXIQEggsJC4 ZkYRPDlJwlReKEV2qp+5guZfjxhX6E2FQTnIsUlJ3HwLaZiV3+sQvrGW/Pdp9Y+Zu1QU v65tAp5/8JrV30TUQ7INH7qzUDnKQGpUYWubyKR8/Zg7w/eLwrQrRXNYPwA0Vx1VhjxF uA+A== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.46.197 with SMTP id k5mr1048571vcf.40.1367426110186; Wed, 01 May 2013 09:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.168.4 with HTTP; Wed, 1 May 2013 09:35:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130501162247.17bc7f11@googlemail.com> References: <517C03E8.7040406@gentoo.org> <5181325A.2030701@gentoo.org> <20130501162247.17bc7f11@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 12:35:10 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1pZQdvHFKmvPFizfmS81tDMNRa4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2013-05-14 From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: 3a2618c4-8300-428a-9060-0b9601b7aa22 X-Archives-Hash: 3438dab491825d20bb1ae0696ca5d7d5 On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > ...and that it's utterly frickin' broken as a concept, and that > adopting it will slow down people switching to the proper solution to > the problem, which is slots. Unless we fully slot (not subslot) every version of everything that gets linked there is still the issue of what happens between the time package A is upgraded, and package B which depends on A is upgraded. That will often be minutes, and could be hours or days even with slot operator dependencies. Some packages take a long time to build, and if there is a failure it might take a user days to work it out. Even if preserve-libs is imperfect, it improves usability. Are there any scenarios where it actually makes things worse? Sure, maybe once in a blue moon a lib no longer works because it is out of sync with a config file, but would it work any better if it were just outright deleted? Rich