From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A6F7138334 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 15:43:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B6E9CE0935; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 15:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pg0-f54.google.com (mail-pg0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 705D2E0923 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 15:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id w8-v6so4683835pgp.7 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 08:43:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=+JB4yAjL+asgQTOsa2kYjmURRr2LfM7wkJ1P55H5Rb4=; b=Z2HqmCAtNMiDFBsE+TBhA1bbAxe2tFVFYOMco2iago6KRK/XuEnZenboflXO/P9+4n L9B+oRLoee7rI7Yo22k4Rsd5j35p3WwxMqvixkv4uAnhqtjHJVva5UuitrW6gLUt3dDo mJ2Q5EgNheWLEYALX7ODxmkJrB7w6xK2x/uP9FGaH5h34ysvXQqdoN651L8MXpmPdoM3 AIGbRH1MXrjT+ZHLFuiS8FLJVw7zooxW0jCITszfWWnxtrAu3XPbdnQZIvR5TsZtFB8Y cjPH2Tt+FtAOfycjlEha0+Q0nulStP8SNoFaP+7tSue9PAy50Zl4wzGETtZmUYO4WewN OtbA== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E04SV0MhNThwKHpLdZtuqhobgWo2jYlyQtxeHhAYTomxuQYbrEW Da2p4FlivznaEkIbi5/dnNBHSrNRCgKambT3aPS2mQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKKQaT8FpFA6MmVhMlPlPldbVcQ83LwdWwqyNi/qQrp68gYhY/4pcHtiPfYIHUxu9QDQTgGsjshvsY9u2sQY/f4= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:8298:: with SMTP id s24-v6mr13993513pfm.136.1529336601926; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 08:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7aff3272-74c2-c5ed-92d8-fb1b4baa1eba@iee.org> <5fd69b7e-abf6-dfef-afe7-39402b8b0c68@iee.org> <20180617172604.GA6560@linux1.home> <47901881-4bac-6638-d702-bfb42cfe32c4@iee.org> <20180617203438.GA9809@linux1.home> <20180618153304.GA16212@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> In-Reply-To: <20180618153304.GA16212@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> From: Rich Freeman Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 11:42:38 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] William Hubbs council manifesto 2018-2019 To: gentoo-project Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 0d08495c-5b97-47e8-bee4-7370b2ab0755 X-Archives-Hash: 934dcd5320d2dfc705c0fc97c3b2360b On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 11:33 AM William Hubbs wrote: > > What I meant to say makes no sense was your commentary above, which got > deleted from this some how, about selection bias. That seems to be true > for any elected position -- you have people running for the position who > are interested in having the job. :-) > I don't see the disagreement here. You seem to agree there is selection bias, and are just extending it even further. I agree with that. Asking the Council whether we need a Council makes as much sense as asking the Trustees whether we need a Foundation. Obviously we are all smart people, and to an extent we can recognize our biases and compensate. I'm not saying they shouldn't have a say. I'm just saying that in the end any proposals on ultimate direction should probably go back to the voters, and ideally with more than just a yes/no option (which is terrible for expressing mandate, and can lead to distortions due to a lack of nuance - just look at Brexit). -- Rich