From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04D0A138334 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2019 19:27:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0EECEE08FB; Thu, 31 Jan 2019 19:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pg1-f171.google.com (mail-pg1-f171.google.com [209.85.215.171]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD5A7E08EF for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2019 19:27:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pg1-f171.google.com with SMTP id t13so1760884pgr.11 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2019 11:27:17 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=oil9uWYbgvXdZW9XiPe2THEW7Ug0rujruXg5nE6enFE=; b=iSkfWDWagXUgrZmPl9qaB+MrHRkXxS3d0P3/rr7rceNLoCxMz+zSLFYTWWK9ksIGdX khkb+pT01jfLPRYKqZVYKTO2EjX4Y/gKL0fgPDLM1uQZZl804WaasSw0xiQ8koslbdmp yAR6gbdY+ywV5yTJATOh/RaHMLFmBIJCkMhr+EDQXPdVSucC/Is7exINK9eNViACdNLA LzHl3T+hs21Zz36BvqjoXgDDhpy8I5eQqJ2zl8GQGf0SwTsFZYQ4XirP1RzEuPq2/7fQ qyRe2Gn50ppthkqIrhkFoiLLWSLkW8+kuKAmWBX7ygJFoxWAgP59EsYYoAfawp9a5Yyj N61g== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukcSnW6kpG0Iut2g3EQyR695wSHbq5KGXhbYNHbMPbJECGJm57C1 LuqVXR0BFCTFS3sEkOFsrYHUVNcGmrqkWvKkTTQVzA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN51Lpeof8HXAXTFEwmVXVtLXGDqZXgScOcek/iTbFXDSnyuV7d4RaICeVPaGm45+puvp9oBkLPNvwqjRpwadn8= X-Received: by 2002:a62:190e:: with SMTP id 14mr35861746pfz.70.1548962836133; Thu, 31 Jan 2019 11:27:16 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2beb3305-396f-8b10-e2a1-4008d8505fa9@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: From: Rich Freeman Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 14:27:05 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: [gentoo-project] Appeals of Moderation Decisions To: gentoo-project Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 14ad080e-e7df-43b9-83ba-98d8ea830db8 X-Archives-Hash: 56a78d0bd63a06351220e4d5937a0acf On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 2:11 PM Rich Freeman wrote: > > Can Council define an appeals process for appeals of moderation > decisions in general for any official Gentoo communications media? I > think we have this for mailing lists, as Proctors is the only real > moderation there and Proctors does have an appeals process. I think > IRC and Forums are the areas with gaps - to the extent that either has > an appeals process I can't find it documented anywhere (I welcome > leads in both areas to comment). > Proctors already has a defined appeals process. Minor actions like warnings or short bans are final, and longer bans are appealable to Comrel. IMO this is a reasonable balance. To the extent that either IRC or Forums formally has a process for short-term bans (<1wk)/etc I would suggest those also be non-appealable beyond any internal process these teams have. For appeals beyond this I suggest that Comrel also be the point of appeal. I think Proctors could also work, but it raises the question of bureaucracy as in theory an IRC op might make a decision, then Proctors takes an appeal, then Comrel takes an appeal, and then maybe even Council takes an appeal. That is a lot of appeals. Very long-term it might make sense to try to better harmonize how we do moderation on all these different media, but I think that is really a separate issue, and doesn't need to be settled right away. I think that the absence of ANY appeals process in the interim is more of an issue, as it does leave people who are subject to what might be one person's decision no real access to due process. Even if all the moderators are doing a perfect job there should be a process. I'd encourage IRC ops or Forums mods to chime in with their thoughts here... -- Rich