From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED49B1381F3 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 10:40:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 63D34E07FE; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 10:40:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ve0-f175.google.com (mail-ve0-f175.google.com [209.85.128.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDA4DE07FD for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 10:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f175.google.com with SMTP id da11so2960415veb.20 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 03:40:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=73gVs8/O3Vb1orJBwy+qTUUcuixDBxr7Hq2hlKuHcfU=; b=L908xPKmR1H8+WAmMOwLVPpVkPwBH9MAr2Q7OJoO1C3ro3dTDA3PdGqc4yahjlqg9v S7nA7HyFpBKkJVd7TmHxrdvTfFR/loUHprDpBRQ/p+xBwEm598FUqSiY7E+0f/qryB2x UtMyWtKLF0eAw7x76lu18jQPVuMGfbdmOXDzQa6Io6CktvOc/VjAjWKfm84CxKt+hRDz y7XPoKx2JvkXhmlpFFPPfYiRzFEk4iLF9PZzYmegImGRABNeGpkNEuwAjARwlB59aGWc bHf7C89z+FK+myv12TliA1+pxbGxXv6sQCi+0O6qKQ4AUjYAUsuRCITaCz5wZpcoq1ra PZBA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.221.21.74 with SMTP id qr10mr8112965vcb.25.1372588812813; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 03:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.19.172 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 03:40:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51CF4529.7010307@gentoo.org> References: <51BF597B.6060600@gentoo.org> <51CF1759.10903@gentoo.org> <51CF4529.7010307@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 06:40:12 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: -2eXXT06IYinolxPgErghBhKkkM Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Questions for Candidates (was: Questioning/Interviewing council nominees) From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 252b817e-c5a8-4b67-a6eb-24434e4b1575 X-Archives-Hash: 9bd57f8bbe950418a322052499a07869 On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Ch=C3=AD-Thanh Christopher Nguy=E1=BB=85n wrote: > hasufell schrieb: >> What should be our _priority_? Keeping devs happy or keeping users >> happy? > > Running Gentoo requires our users to make informed decisions all the time= . > As long as the forked or split packages are accompanied with documentatio= n > describing straightforward ways how to make use of them, I do not see any > significant degradation of user experience. So, I thought this was a thread for asking questions and not answering them, but it seems like this is turning into a general discussion. Agree 100% that running Gentoo requires users to make informed decisions all the time. The question was about split packages for single files though - not split packages in general. Splitting up kdebase is a great idea. Splitting up apache into apache, apache-gentooconfig, apache-initd, apache-logrotate, etc just because the apache maintainer thinks that we should simply install vanilla upstream files and logrotate is of the devil is a really bad idea. That doesn't make any user or dev happy, save perhaps the maintainer. Forked packages are potentially even worse. Do you want the version of apache that contains backported bugfixes but vanilla config files, or the one that has gentooified configs but no init-script? Maybe somebody should make yet another fork that mixes and matches those. Then another maintainer makes a fork with a logrotate script, but they only include systemd units and not an initd script. Maintainers shouldn't have to do the work to support any configuration they're not comfortable testing/etc, but if somebody else comes along to do it for them, the solution is cooperation, not revert wars. Rich