From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C281381F3 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 15:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 94C57E09FD; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 15:18:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vb0-f44.google.com (mail-vb0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F361AE0956 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 15:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id e13so840610vbg.31 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 08:18:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/wpaXjAcJ72sHZGGJeU3VvQkLnttDhc96bpGPnFJGmQ=; b=h8xOwXO02iZ8SKG3NjMgdl4mDH7VfqaPnWdH0wzQ5hqTnATzArSE8OxQ0uPXP+wD1c lnGTNU4nbPr1DztRCpWa+IGS2gAgEVKyEkLJn8n5Tjnw9zOr8EwkaceGaj4fysSnq2Uc FsY21ka7cVdGoLGL3rmjho25ArpJxWy28YpaT5oO1xPZcfPP4hQrC4D2dbnsIJ/NJVOO qpmz/h96xKJugbduu0/ZCbSmCrOK+Qx4ogA55Z+hzpbdkPc8DxmSxNynlL9LkxYX4y0g edYaC0VL29TjQ0MSTxEEGgHu9r/PxR+H9YvTujhK8Y/sMPuZPMKaBWkPk7ick02Aqpxl ut7g== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.165.165 with SMTP id yz5mr16922797vdb.102.1375283889988; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 08:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.73.74 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 08:18:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51F8FA16.4050406@gentoo.org> References: <51F16EF7.30606@gentoo.org> <11373502.YvSFGzKmHV@kailua> <51F8F56E.8050402@gentoo.org> <4561512.MTgbeqIep0@kailua> <51F8FA16.4050406@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:18:09 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: SXXCn2EQISUY5WjsuOssiR-ojE0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] changing the default of ACCEPT_LICENSE in portage From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: b70dc6ec-4484-497a-8e15-b3d14162ca47 X-Archives-Hash: 1534762480badd20363b5a7746eced82 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:50 AM, hasufell wrote: > On 07/31/2013 01:46 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >> >> We're not Debian, and that is a good thing=99. >> > > You miss the point. This thread is not about banning ebuilds which let > you install unfree software. > You're thinking of gNewSense, or one of the 47 distros on the FSF webpage that nobody has heard about. :) I won't throw in my own two sense. Personally, I'm on the fence here. I think this is a matter of values and largely boils down to ESR vs RMS to some extent. I would say that those who want to make a change probably have the burden of justifying the change. You don't need to explain your rationale - you've already done a great job with that. I think the bigger hurdle is whether the community buys in, though this will only impact new users. If there were some easy way to take a poll it might be interesting to see the results. Dare I suggest a forum post? To be constructive, I think I'll try building a desktop in a VM and just see what the day-to-day impact of your proposal actually is. Nvidia drivers really only come to mind as the biggest stumbling block for most - the days of proprietary codecs and such are mostly behind us I think. Those who oppose the change might point out specific "killer apps" that this gets in the way of. Rich