From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874AC1381F3 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 15:24:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 98F42E087F; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 15:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ve0-f181.google.com (mail-ve0-f181.google.com [209.85.128.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8E02E07A0 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 15:24:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f181.google.com with SMTP id db10so588639veb.12 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 08:24:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=P/LDlU870j/ZIe8ZvFKNCADNNjdh6iEdhICMS3J3nIs=; b=Xy9Iw3B1fg/M3t5WLHjtv2c+bM0hp3g25SSpt8I1qSIs0hwJE/kyD/zA2+8Zo4QfL/ Kt64A0fnqLvd2Irj9/1OEvNnbgDn5Dg9n54w4+QwbRmCt2oNZ3NVhhEvWNbucn0L2AUL oIYc19/8P+ZvY2c6LTAhuICG9grXG/WlvZ+MgB8bmkO3bZ+TXZta/XZl62UTVFJ+YI4W R4gKlYFROGcNL/S+W34G6Cu6tklvKjBSCVBIlIk5naUsut9HQxZ9V+fFgF6UKjhs8k/s MrDJdgz+3zjAEuWk8eFROK//pC2RHadkwurFqKo+Gp7YjEln+1maqD8qm2h7i3uzOK3b rlww== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.112.5 with SMTP id im5mr948538vdb.4.1371223455918; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 08:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.73.3 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 08:24:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51BB2DDF.9010203@gentoo.org> References: <1371039602.27198.24.camel@localhost> <20130612162535.570c2bc0@gentoo.org> <51BB2DDF.9010203@gentoo.org> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 11:24:15 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7rG1VK6jzbuJ56K0A41bGOcy1sQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Council: Policy for Systemd units From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 935ad81b-ea6f-4497-8a1d-abbc2195bfa4 X-Archives-Hash: a7c08c2d8a3c0b0eace4cd83fd91ec6c On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Ch=C3=AD-Thanh Christopher Nguy=E1=BB=85n wrote: > I was always under the general impression that a maintainer is free to > do whatever he likes with his package within policy. When p.mask'ed even > outside policy to some degree. If you disagree with how a package is > maintained, you are welcome to fork the ebuild and do it better. Sure, but there is more than one maintainer - the original one, and the one who signed up because the original one was being stubborn. They're both welcome to do whatever they want within policy. However, the users don't exactly benefit from daily revision wars. Maintainers don't have the right to exclude others from also being maintainers, and when they do become maintainers they have all the rights the original maintainer had. Nobody owns a package. Bottom line is that bad things happen when developers become stubborn and don't cooperate. However, the fact that maintainers aren't cooperating isn't a reason to delay progress. You can't give every developer a veto on every project in Gentoo or nothing will get done. If the standing policies aren't working for somebody they can always go to Council - that's what it is there for. The standing policies say that anybody can maintain anything, and when it gets bigger than that you have projects that elect leads. Rich