From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CD51384A7 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 21:05:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D3FB2E0875; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 21:05:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io0-f177.google.com (mail-io0-f177.google.com [209.85.223.177]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 477F7E0874 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 21:05:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ioiz6 with SMTP id z6so62940349ioi.2 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 14:05:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=N5JgtPTuzidOoR8au7/ww4pG+Qlt38cXG4esSOPxNAw=; b=Y4+Mmz3uG2D0Wd+EtIfL56cx7OoJr+kRU1a0ussp7nRvi1qQh8968lFxQYe9IxyNd0 zAuVyiHQN439K0Ra172uHyGHy5ustKXsQd+rkcSZiroz5IpUmZVdfukEgRIaENsN+p9A sVKQ2aX0nl1hYj4nPmseAxtXIMot16X+xkXHuPGK55dNW+FZD/QWqpEap5WpM3Uo5Hm8 MHHEd7OYGQ6CjOgNGkeFR3JPEO1rGmL9citpS4FdqKjLfUUsEcBxNUyu/aT6WzBUOAmj 5mpL5xMixGGnet6fIbahn36RWgpkfYIjVHTBrhjaR7/ef2+vFIYbYTD7AUW3DNRIGJFW IUdA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.28.140 with SMTP id c134mr7381508ioc.93.1443647122468; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 14:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.79.103.70 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 14:05:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201509302236.42443.dilfridge@gentoo.org> References: <1904237.nU16iSOlTl@kailua> <201509302221.28178.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <20150930222604.060082b0.mgorny@gentoo.org> <201509302236.42443.dilfridge@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 17:05:22 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: QPUK3jYFcqX7HIOPKmLgxlaoKDI Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for Agenda Items -- Council Meeting 2015-10-11 From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Cc: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= , Gentoo Council Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 18f18c3e-bb5a-44a0-96e8-182552a89f98 X-Archives-Hash: cb4397d21004faff257c22ba8713db0a On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > >> > e) Since per GLEP 39 only developers can be project members, let's >> > introduce "contributors" which are listed on the wiki project page >> > together with the members. >> >> This doesn't solve the problem with developers who don't want to use >> SMW. > > I just plainly dont care beyond a certain level of obstructiveness. > So, I'm still not a huge fan of using the wiki as the source of this info, but frankly I could care less whether a few devs don't want to use it. I fully support the Social Contract and FOSS-tools only, but if you're going to start getting picky beyond that then you're on your own. Not using the wiki because it as a PITA to utilize in this manner is a great argument. Not using the wiki because I can't be bothered to sign up for an account is not. As far as I'm concerned, let's stick to the former line. Along this line, here are some pros/cons I can see: XML file (or other popular markup format) - Can be stored in vcs - No inherent mechanism to prevent invalid files from being stored, distributed, etc, but files can be validated easily. - Can be synced and parsed offline - Libraries to parse xml have probably been ported to the PDP11, your microwave, your car's ECU, the lunar lander, and more exotic cases like C, python, Java, etc. - Doesn't tie identity/authentication to specification - Never "goes down" - Still readable in 100 years - Requires a separate distribution mechanism, but not necessarily limited to a particular mechanism Wiki - Easier for non-devs to edit should this become desirable at some point - Nice presentation comes along for free - Editor that enforces correct syntax comes along for free. - Ties identity/authentication to specification (maybe you could argue this is a pro and a con) - Distribution is part of the solution -- Rich