From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31D0A138334 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 01:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0CEDBE0AFA; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 01:37:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pg1-f179.google.com (mail-pg1-f179.google.com [209.85.215.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0D7FE0AC4 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2018 01:37:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pg1-f179.google.com with SMTP id y4so4531934pgc.12 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 17:37:49 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=mgSOpK+NkCwXJsgFE/uxJypo3yFu35sd3lDuJ6vA15Y=; b=XZgO+nn4SvoR/0lLu44WaLXxxlVJeZXgfnmWr7JMhzyXT2UYix0i/7Hex5kSIim9eb pZ5M3VOgN+qX8ne/AJEZXOBup2wwrNBOnVSsV/9mg4HkDlt7aCH4Hk16tqB3Q58Py3BS FS9RY91iZFw5DDuHkBGIEM+X8NQTF1eL9ZyPFrf9j3y/U/oOlM9TUF9tGWGnOS3/DAYl sVQAL2yLgsoiPfXNnAz1kiorpvZSthAXRwAZoJE8M/1IzbKDhwpszgX5OvcChHVQcrau dsvTM5IHhILSmj22E6wCjjufNTToMJ2sGcO8jh8Q4MjpnFSXO0aKuLi9XpznSuCAgxCo Hfng== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gIoRwhp8byj/r2urkRXu2HLfYly00KLNIbR8/AOSmAPWRQv/79d mDALJF5xoGFmxnPYWCubvx11wuSZE/q3323FDRxmOavh X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5cuhXszVWg6XAJKxzXM/VqVrjZJnTedLJBemAKJ3ITqZ8Zn4R4HB7Fu+uviFr0hSY6x9WGbQMx+jmSW4tphTI8= X-Received: by 2002:a62:83ce:: with SMTP id h197mr21959449pfe.187.1543109868156; Sat, 24 Nov 2018 17:37:48 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20181114024643.GA15537@linux1.home> <20181114174522.cab71989801dc2c155735326@gentoo.org> <20181114185302.875806d543d7da9d9162fc42@gentoo.org> <0ab206f1-4416-b35c-0f1b-85d5dd24c7c0@poindexter.ovh> <0082a107-c458-d9bd-0f38-9b3085f0a9d3@poindexter.ovh> <79c57d08-8b0b-ed86-33dd-30462ca1d72d@poindexter.ovh> <20181124174747.GA19308@linux1.home> <8ea407dd-9fe4-3623-0509-5315cc5d045b@poindexter.ovh> In-Reply-To: <8ea407dd-9fe4-3623-0509-5315cc5d045b@poindexter.ovh> From: Rich Freeman Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 20:37:36 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] rfc: copyright attribution clarifications To: gentoo-project Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 859ad1fb-3de8-42fc-a9d0-e1167c50c2cf X-Archives-Hash: 43f7286b08def8efd1f2f13dd8732d85 On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 8:09 PM Sarah White wrote: > > On 11/24/18 6:11 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > > > I don't see anything in the GPL-2 that would prevent us from removing > > redundant copyright notices. > > > > The better question - why should things be copyrighted, > and then made available under a FOSS/Libre license, and > why is this different than public domain without any > copyright protection of any kind? Nobody is talking about anybody giving up copyright protection. We're just talking about using one valid form of a copyright notice vs another valid form of a copyright notice. Giving notice is not the same as owning copyright. > Does gentoo have a legal team or policy in place to protect > copyleft-type legal interests against license infringers? That isn't relevant unless Gentoo owns the copyright, or an FLA-like interest in it. > I'm not aware of anyone in this thread (or related ones) > who is claiming gentoo should have copyright assignment Nope. This has nothing to do with copyright assignment. The new GLEP does not transfer copyrights to Gentoo. > and a gentoo copyright notice will have teeth behind it, The "Gentoo Authors" copyright notice will have just as much teeth behind it as putting "Sony" in the notice, if Sony owns the copyright. Sony can still sue infringers. You don't have to be named in the copyright notice to sue for copyright infringement, and you gain all the protections of giving notice even if you aren't the one named in the notice. > I believe if sony is committing to release something under > a FOSS/Libre/copyleft-type license, they should be able > to thow their own legal team behind it. And they can with the GLEP as it exists now. They receive no legal benefits at all by being named in the copyright notice, and lose no benefits by not being named in the notice, as long as the notice is valid. -- Rich