From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A901D1382C5 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2018 11:43:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 98B7DE08BB; Fri, 6 Apr 2018 11:43:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pl0-x229.google.com (mail-pl0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c01::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F893E089A for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2018 11:43:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pl0-x229.google.com with SMTP id b6-v6so443234pla.11 for ; Fri, 06 Apr 2018 04:43:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=1GB2lr8a9lFqFCEqpMwFWk/Tqv4B+uZzXE8DsDJotmw=; b=O7dWIDI2F/cpXlNxuOh9z4kuNjNkc1jPUBjuUT+1T+OGFDbg/rZDaHrAHMTztwQ26i 1ZjRLb858i9ydwlmD+P4sDlt1g5xYACAZCW0Jw1g43zwyovw36KVXGsiceCV1Kgq24Fb ucG0ZBev+Uz8bEB18nirmWNUQxfMGJ3knt9BiTDMy63tdwgsSR4pgbpPUNnV1vr2K1yb B4vEIzgvWRO6ImHNn+bQRA+M2Gx4XNdObc4i26J+oqTt03iYkflTuHpTwGx1cVlfqtft pTSJ4KfzswWvDjGyW0tZPE+ZLzfwZNONo55FANj5+3WBBnvxtBiUIHPbhoiVZege7PSf Mgrw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=1GB2lr8a9lFqFCEqpMwFWk/Tqv4B+uZzXE8DsDJotmw=; b=k8JsXQfjQq4SUQF7rHakyig7X4HT2/Bx8DH+Fb7yO8IGi52Sh+qlycgN97QHPVWVuL hS5jwo0gxZFWcvg0qYfotsZuJfwAshCoL0TaaBTJVZ0h5ZS2jb6qXnojTkPLBtH/dlpA H8J4Ykjwsl6SeYw/V59D8aMv78fGoLq++iSHVdGA6mGQ2a/zDBVF7FTyo/Y82E3XSk2p 1V30IcTX2HZOCLludRRk/yyGSN3LjhxFw8h56pPbIukyC5YGKSXLn65cdJpPUcTwZaKp l+kxLxzkF7AItKQvlnq/Nm12u61yyJnVfeCAKuM7ApFHp+i8e0NXEVDtB/bynblM5sS2 qSLQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7Hb6gd+R6IvL0A+lz8zHwLp3cyCYd5UsRT3nytjaz3ONW3JWPdR uArLIl50j8MdAqfIp1bkdlPvpYiRDwjlrlhj4r2bUble X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx4+4JBL53AR7lrCkPnoRzsN69mPl8oJIYVDL5YIIXBZUP0ZyBAViEInTsIrpjWWsLr0GkdL7aRmSpqF7xJXYmvw= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:8e86:: with SMTP id bg6-v6mr26633366plb.91.1523015012659; Fri, 06 Apr 2018 04:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.236.174.22 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Apr 2018 04:43:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20180406023938.exac37p7gaccynll@gentoo.org> References: <871sfxkqo1.fsf@gentoo.org> <87lge4xw93.fsf@gentoo.org> <20180406021508.GA4824@linux1.home> <20180406023938.exac37p7gaccynll@gentoo.org> From: Rich Freeman Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 07:43:31 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a2rbcg3hRVIPSp2vZBx1d_SprdU Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Meeting agenda - Council meeting 2018-04-08 To: gentoo-project Cc: Gentoo Trustees Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 53b6e877-478c-421c-bdaf-377f1deecfc1 X-Archives-Hash: 7dcb77976b5b2294e3e2bb25b8be298c On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 10:39 PM, Matthew Thode wrote: > On 18-04-05 21:15:08, William Hubbs wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 03, 2018 at 08:19:52AM -0500, Matthias Maier wrote: >> >> *snip* >> >> > 8. The council was requested to discuss and vote on the following motion [8] >> > >> > "The Gentoo council shall directly contact "Software in the Public Interest >> > Inc." (SPI), with the intention of Gentoo becoming a SPI Associated Project, >> > independent of the Gentoo Foundation." >> >> As a newly accepted member of the Gentoo foundation, I am making sure >> the trustees are aware of this agenda item. Is it ok for us to join an >> alternate organization such as is being proposed? >> > > Nope, though I imagine the council already knows that (the council has > requested this in the past iirc). > I don't think he was suggesting that the Foundation should become associated with SPI, but rather the distro. The wording is a bit sloppy, IMO. Maybe something like this might convey what I suspect was the intent: The council shall directly contact "Software in the Public Interest Inc." (SPI), with the intention of the project becoming a SPI Associated Project, independent of the Gentoo Foundation. I'd suggest a better model might be: The council shall directly contact "Software in the Public Interest Inc." (SPI), with the intention of the project becoming a SPI Associated Project, in addition to being supported by the Gentoo Foundation. I think we're getting a bit hung up on the word "Gentoo" referring to both a legal entity and a community/project supported by the entity. Legally it only means the first. However, I can think of no legal reason that the group of people associated with Gentoo couldn't also associate with other legal entities, as long as Gentoo's legal rights to the copyrights/trademarks are respected. That is just freedom of association. IMO having multiple organizations supporting the distro could be beneficial. I'd concede that it would be unconventional. Legally the Gentoo name would only belong to one of them, but the work itself could be funded and supported via any of them. If nothing else this might also be a way to reduce the workload on the Foundation so that they can focus more on getting the paperwork caught up vs actually having to pay for infra. -- Rich