From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (unknown [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 642D9138334 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2019 22:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AFC7E0C3B; Sat, 26 Jan 2019 22:51:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pl1-f181.google.com (mail-pl1-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 560DFE0C39 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2019 22:51:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pl1-f181.google.com with SMTP id u18so6107474plq.7 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2019 14:51:52 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=m3ZWccgxVgHMPs4UM+Wl0m9BO8MRUnSTv+ZdbKpqqwI=; b=UW3CdF3jmRPTZ4aogmWSpHjQtDWVF3JObqZ+aSagHuNcXzuxygp0CmHUp/0JeWZ5d0 McNU6gISDhz+SICMqCT/QPllv1tj/UTQlO/2UhmZJ5q5jMsCq+Pn5/vwqOuxQZZTWG0W TpjuTLmw1BpnvFpE1u7Xrq5+mBkEkSkVCwnKws/gdPJUGpnQdo9qln50n0nbC7kNw0v5 LhcNo9oko0x0h+lI5AevfUH0b2vSjc5ch6+Z4DFi2oDNBRIydDVO4sYfHcaklf3j0Xmy bcc/RAbNoQnVB+Xda728Y/L4Y62aoYao2oxb1N/fwYyV1WZtXNatJYRGWbO0Qrxm0v4t t2gQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukdB3Snpn6k7t36IZsTS9H/gDFZ9J0xCTvt8Y/7EbDTiVqCMOrsl fzKEXhGmso/qM06q5uLQHZIA6geoVi9u7LK6yNU3fQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN7LP94yvNyB8PhJjFOrvS/G9BV4y3erHfUXo5q5ku4sAuItrobYJJTWV9/v+y8YCRbpyA3X5vPbUOgyQwJb7Rk= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:9a81:: with SMTP id w1mr15792266plp.19.1548543110883; Sat, 26 Jan 2019 14:51:50 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Rich Freeman Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2019 17:51:40 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] What should the default acceptable licenses be? To: gentoo-project Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: a51baaaf-cd4c-4a69-a040-8129414eeac7 X-Archives-Hash: 083b86732f093b84127617835f1b1ea1 On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 4:04 PM Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > > My personal opinion is we should have a default accepting FSF and OSI > approved free/libre licenses and require acceptance for anything else > though package.license / ACCEPT_LICENSE. >From a practical standpoint is this going to block anything used on our stage3s or boot CDs needed for hardware support, such as firmware blobs/etc? I imagine most packages like this would not have FSF/OSI-approved licenses. That includes linux-firmware. I'm not sure if those are installed by default or how essential they are to actually boot/use any common hardware. Aside from this, Gentoo has always been more about pragmatism when it comes to licensing. We certainly make it easy to restrict licenses and have a pure-free system, but I'm not sure how painful it would be for users to have this be a default. In particular how likely is this to cause users to end up doing a substantial rebuild 5 minutes after booting their stage3 just to get the system back to a more "practical" state? Granted, bindist probably already causes these sorts of issues but we have no choice there. -- Rich