From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D7013877A for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2014 11:39:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 437B5E08EE; Thu, 3 Jul 2014 11:39:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-f178.google.com (mail-vc0-f178.google.com [209.85.220.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4774E08E9 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2014 11:39:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id ij19so65215vcb.23 for ; Thu, 03 Jul 2014 04:39:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=d60HLw1GVoDp7iOvLX273l4yli5x78j5Zf/QasV3C0o=; b=z3Iy3dElVOdJ4yVjp26RMzQBTCEGvCyyBzoNQYlXPpSO5TCKEVFuapzNoEcXdqbCQK H8QOY+m17qkWxK4i/Ssd+yOae8Gedo+PPEc4b2c2IbB97dwEtziEuhkpFNYAgjMh3yXW wjzYyD4SOK5aHkrR8CTROV3oiAQmAM96x5lBp4q4II6rX/q1mFo/GqqA+Clq/wdbZLX6 GoYT45RMySBfUjG8cwBnyTtDBe9LpU/ar8GRW7f7vcjHwK+7TrWpB19t9iMHMX4Joo+o xuurFd4ZzI2v+aZIuQtTIAzpkRajKK/lMpJUOORyJ4Q7rOMMTQPFONwZAbTlYhBmm8Um 1uNQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.150.1 with SMTP id ue1mr3202379veb.11.1404387570008; Thu, 03 Jul 2014 04:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.72.19 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jul 2014 04:39:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53B53E12.10209@opensource.dyc.edu> References: <539BD2E2.7030803@gentoo.org> <1757239.UAu395ci7F@kailua> <53B2E4CA.1080408@gentoo.org> <3677509.vVmt2iqRkA@kailua> <53B53E12.10209@opensource.dyc.edu> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 07:39:29 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: w2vVK53jnSyNhcPS1BYijmVvqvI Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo Council 2014 / 2015 election From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 7d7161a2-178f-425a-9f7c-3ac89b8cfb61 X-Archives-Hash: bac14f46db98310c9f6211fe5cc678c2 On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: > > ComRel has acted in a way that some devs think was "unfair" and they have > asked the council to censure comrel. You were one of the people who voted > for the allegedly unfair action. In all good conscience, you think it was > the right thing to do. How do you vote on the council? Do you criticize > comrel or do you uphold their decision? > How is this any different from any other issue where some devs ask the council to do something that a council member feels in good conscience shouldn't be done? Either you trust a council member to do the right thing, or you don't. If one team is censuring another that is a sign that we've already failed. We shouldn't be putting people into power who can't agree on anything - that just leads to chaos. As a community we should be deciding how we want things run, and then put people into both ComRel and the Council who uphold that. That is why I think that the adjustments that were made to QA were a good thing. Infighting is a sign of poor governance, not good checks and balances. This isn't some country where millions of people vote and 80% of them pull a party lever - we have <250 voters and I hope that most of us know what is going on here and can pick the right candidates. We don't need to create opposing centers of power so that we can watch nothing get done out of fear that if something does get done it will be the wrong thing. Rich