From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582161381F3 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 18:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B626A21C008 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 18:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vb0-f53.google.com (mail-vb0-f53.google.com [209.85.212.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1488A21C01D for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 17:46:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f53.google.com with SMTP id fc21so3024115vbb.40 for ; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:46:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=T+qspvB6Hd+IXxpHzXaPuF4ExEwXj+ukio00LCcoBS0=; b=arLc1+c8m5+jJxQujUtJXeUWJZ25h3oRm+MaybtPfi6dvML9T5O4RTTgL30kBPTOZ8 DRQVzLGRi3l79RtWWQscBV3NWTdI/V0kpHAiFdUCEzZS5SGxeEW+2mJyebVZnZb0QH4c +SbZm5TH2MkNk+dqsWFfCfhckAUH4/qupLxk5AnYhuJeYvtjLCmZ0k2ozJ1hZ/x7Yrqc L1w917RpKVmx6Pf5hqGosDeoYTADOncoTs/YNf8jh7qLNKI7ye/EsuUxPcKnQPrt09Et /xhLeK49yQgKAvck7P70TfLiQkEunmBfgum/X0zLqgOknNqsGdT/JzcGQU9D1PEzZ529 CPog== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.92.11 with SMTP id ci11mr6829701vdb.7.1352396781031; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:46:21 -0800 (PST) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.220.206.149 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:46:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20121108133053.6937c1b4@gentoo.org> References: <20121106212816.GE82762@gentoo.org> <20121108133053.6937c1b4@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 12:46:20 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: gM7f27LbP3SpytQY4lSLm9zSdao Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Council meeting: Tuesday 11 November 2012, 19:00 UTC From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Cc: Fabian Groffen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: 8426bf12-86ef-4286-bc0e-d222fdee15a4 X-Archives-Hash: bebf606b7c12854131e09c80e981cf4d On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Alexis Ballier wrote: > On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 22:28:16 +0100 > Fabian Groffen wrote: >> - approve/disapprove removal of gen_usr_ldscript > > I'm not sure what you meant here, but if that meant 'make it a no-op on > systems where it makes sense', then fine by me. Otherwise, please keep > in mind that removing it will also affect g/fbsd where this is still > needed in order to have a sane / and /usr separation. I haven't really seen any discussion of this so I'll chime in. Up until now most of the discussion has been about ALLOWING maintainers to stick boot-required files in /usr at some point in the future. Changing things like gen_usr_ldscript would actually represent an active push towards moving these files into /usr. I think that is a big distinction, and it would cause our Linux vs BSD approaches to diverge unless we forced BSD to follow along. I think there is a difference between allowing a few Linux-only packages to move to /usr to follow upstream and moving towards a full scale /usr migration on Linux for all packages, even if their upstreams don't use /usr. I think the more conservative approach is to take things one step at a time - after some period of time allow things to move to /usr, but leave it up to maintainer discretion, since they're the ones getting bugs from linux, BSD, etc. Rich