From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16C3C1382C5 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 01:21:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3728AE0BE2; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 01:21:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pg0-x234.google.com (mail-pg0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED895E0BDE for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 01:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pg0-x234.google.com with SMTP id w17so8738952pgv.6 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 17:21:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=ilpJK/pue6KA+Lo5L2MB4ZfEN6PdWC6zD0RRKIZQTuU=; b=pp7+2XshSk9FKMZDbeExK31R6XJdGgzJRqg3GLRXzeVannlkUWMbZnlzIolQ5MAhFt KA8kz/ZQCtMvWVkoStd1t59OObEeykgBM8KyhkFnDR7z7Brf5yzBYQQhL8kbhHXFzGtT z5z3MSKGlbPEWTh8m+z2eoGUJeE1abL1AbPrXqvU58sf3MfVWZJhT6zMIEVcPx2jF8VK 4uQdgv/pvSZ5De8skAy7eNxGM484+HoA43k1DIMV7HYx0fh0mp2JWbfSxoZ+Av8y33d2 D3IS2LJfAGtubF5lPuz4Sru0Hv2dEHzCnaPe2yWbUZEcHQV+UbIdb1r5qZHBIs7bdZwb bZHQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ilpJK/pue6KA+Lo5L2MB4ZfEN6PdWC6zD0RRKIZQTuU=; b=WKR8hbRC94sBk8MZO7mjY0QLizdutw11BKxxuZcWXmuXNAG9e51q4sjyOwTQ/wSUUe TNcXYQdq44L7fQ9NJYTV8BH3OcWrZp+jYPoiYPmpNsZcxBVRZL1yyHYn1XXMHhC05fXP hYN8mXlsjUli5AA1+vLC70O9PQOLBZvrIA9Jml2WCStssM5oejTaGRnz76Kj0cEQWIk1 pdKJDdltWe6etA4iW2/okpxUND9gQ7924urjD1vqse95M9BwYUzSSvgluYy4a6G0UXUF 4SsfxMiRLV6zlS54NjiTGcRaIfIouaoi9kO+jOgKeNmHYE8CZ330XS7eaGa7i2Ksv3xc oZ+g== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPCAfeY0DDLdmzkHPnOZZWMTWV6fm4fkTw0glTl/pT/2pQlp+6EP 4SWjijAeD6QO0iOg7m5ntIDlLmD2O9DyK/8iiIh16Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x224Hgik2fByYqU+Fddk14tr88Z95/3O3OXTl/ZiFqFJFQNdQ9sXNd2yWNPTORKnEqJGqZlh/8QfOvzGTLS/Ia00= X-Received: by 10.99.4.131 with SMTP id 125mr4614847pge.375.1518484889391; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 17:21:29 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.100.134.1 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 17:21:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2xbYG4Iv/FzlqTfJCeRrKv@Avy1ub3ZQth970/waO6TI> References: <2xbYG4Iv/FzlqTfJCeRrKv@Avy1ub3ZQth970/waO6TI> From: Rich Freeman Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 20:21:28 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: n8fdy-qSwSseHVbahkghp0Cu3Uc Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] rfc: council members and appeals To: gentoo-project Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: e9360eb9-08f7-48c7-9186-f97ba49ce458 X-Archives-Hash: 9dd46671db386ec4c22635e33a8cd8ca On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 7:25 PM, Roy Bamford wrote: > > Most developers don't cast their votes. > 2015-16 The turnout for this election was 30.638. > 2016-17 The turnout for this election was 37.190% > So, even the votes are imperfect. First, they're not voting specifically on the assertion that the Council is disconnected from reality. Second, you can't really infer anything from a vote that isn't cast. However, even so I suspect that 37% of developers is a far larger number of opinions than the number of developers who have made comments on the lists. Finally, given that few of Gentoo's projects actually operate as cohesive teams, I'm not really sure what it even means for a Gentoo developer to be connected or disconnected. Most of us just do our thing. -- Rich