From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B6BE139694 for ; Thu, 11 May 2017 19:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B58D5E0DF2; Thu, 11 May 2017 19:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk0-x241.google.com (mail-qk0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D958E0DF2 for ; Thu, 11 May 2017 19:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qk0-x241.google.com with SMTP id y128so4939868qka.3 for ; Thu, 11 May 2017 12:09:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=oltnq0BN7lVftsdqQvUhlc7PcQJz+7zXHNwR/IhRqfk=; b=p+R5wHLobA4XQBnop3n691hJzWMUzVhhnEQMgI8z76NTC4l9TXS4xSccrDYvAxdbb7 HZjbL6J4DPfs7Gib0K7TJVrnTQXT5PMmMsbRmlrpT4lcLjDvsCULvg6GjRNJtYeO5sR+ OicbWvIpqrRFe6X6lenATYxKLXWBIdazf42mi9zwGRMhVIm1WpvZgeK21Ys4UEWGD6eo 36PlhDtE/24wU/mzQintT99YJDu88058mWalUrQAwsvwLO/+c9E0p4617LX7TwLrfEj+ fGh+UrpAW3usPPAW8yd1PNL3nUIbUwZQvz/VciXDaoVEBOH7qq1gk21A3UY93fIqdST7 t5Ww== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=oltnq0BN7lVftsdqQvUhlc7PcQJz+7zXHNwR/IhRqfk=; b=cZxtvpVRSqlgJa3mJdkTarfgA4UGz+nVUqGcD+Kh8zb3FcGHkDpPls92afhPsyJKig kUVzISUJKe/PQqVZWxYtVs/1ocZtKvf1Ryao6IM+smit3Emfem/7gHiBOZwjL1frImm0 9+5oIgqY0r1GUr2cLP7eCcFsXj7nXXXXTzpLCaC0+u9xQkY1wmYEAu6mBtFVNcTYdACY rx+3e+Z4Cd8GRYhbcc1jzb2g9qtWprk2cUZgQb1QERAnKi5DH9VSPzq918neO1jSXO5U Al9QWGIgMYHlu6e7SUi0buSqr0HlO6YUJMTiTliaL8JMrdw5Mv9ylHiKcIFXhsF1fIiQ cSGw== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcBG53jrYW59/HR/krU31ztVBcH54jljgiwEOR6X4eSi3vCyyLbN 0h6GmOHlWC6/j/jS34TRL1+XH2UgYg== X-Received: by 10.55.142.69 with SMTP id q66mr81842qkd.13.1494529780432; Thu, 11 May 2017 12:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.182.8 with HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2017 12:09:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <0ac908a7-9875-f629-fa0c-0c85945e1185@gentoo.org> <871srvx3o8.fsf@kestrel.kyomu.43-1.org> From: Raymond Jennings Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 12:09:00 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Items for Council Agenda, May 14 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c083c7aab45ed054f4454f3" X-Archives-Salt: a1c05490-0b2b-41a9-a38c-2fc4ae1fcff8 X-Archives-Hash: c350cf0bd068e03ae5e4ec163e243bb3 --94eb2c083c7aab45ed054f4454f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Roy Bamford wrote: > On 2017.05.11 08:17, Matthias Maier wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017, at 12:00 CDT, "Anthony G. Basile" > > wrote: > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > The Gentoo Council will be meeting in two weeks. If anyone has any > > > issues we need to discuss, please let me know and I'll put it on the > > > agenda. Thanks. > > > > I would like to make a last minute proposal. > > > > Proposal: > > > > I ask the council to establish a procedure / team to moderate the > > gentoo-project@ and gentoo-dev@ mailing lists: > > > > - In general the amount of moderation shall as minimal as possible > > (in particular developers and long-time contributors > > unconditionally green-lighted), > > - but for non-developers abusing the mailing lists for their own > > agenda their contributions shall be moderated. > > - Similar to irc operators there shall be a decicated moderator > > team > > to ensure a quick and timely response. > > - The moderator team shall be different from council members, and > > ideally also comrel, such that these groups can act as a check > > and > > balance. > > > > Rationale: > > > > The gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists nowadays serve > > an important role for Gentoo development (e.g. mandatory > > announcement, > > RFCs, PATCH reviews). This function is currently severly impeded due > > to the high level of noise and unrelated personal agenda [1]. > > > > Best, > > Matthias > > > > [1] https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/ > > > > Team, > > We've been there and done that, lets not do it again. > For those that want the history, read up on the Proctors procject. I move that we table the actual discussion for the actual meeting. I think at this point we're just gathering topics FOR discussion? Should mailing list moderation be added to the agenda or not? I may be out of place here but it seems an involved discussion about it would defeat the purpose of having a meeting. At the least, wouldn't a change of subject line or list might help keep *this* topic about the meeting itself less cluttered? -- > Regards, > > Roy Bamford > (Neddyseagoon) a member of > elections > gentoo-ops > forum-mods > --94eb2c083c7aab45ed054f4454f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Roy Bamford <neddyseagoon@gentoo.org> wrote:
On 2017.05.11 08:17, Matthias Maier wrote:<= br> > Hello all,
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017, at 12:00 CDT, "Anthony G. Basile"
> <blueness@= gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > The Gentoo Council will be meeting in two weeks.=C2=A0 If anyone = has any
> > issues we need to discuss, please let me know and I'll put it= on the
> > agenda.=C2=A0 Thanks.
>
> I would like to make a last minute proposal.
>
> Proposal:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0I ask the council to establish a procedure / team to moder= ate the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0gentoo-project@ and gentoo-dev@ mailing lists:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - In general the amount of moderation shall as minimal as= possible
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (in particular developers and long-time contributo= rs
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 unconditionally green-lighted),
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - but for non-developers abusing the mailing lists for th= eir own
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 agenda their contributions shall be moderated.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Similar to irc operators there shall be a decicated mod= erator
> team
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 to ensure a quick and timely response.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - The moderator team shall be different from council memb= ers, and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ideally also comrel, such that these groups can ac= t as a check
> and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 balance.
>
> Rationale:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0The gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists nowadays= serve
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0an important role for Gentoo development (e.g. mandatory > announcement,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0RFCs, PATCH reviews). This function is currently severly i= mpeded due
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0to the high level of noise and unrelated personal agenda [= 1].
>
> Best,
> Matthias
>
> [1] https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/=
>

Team,

We've been there and done that, lets not do it again.
For those that want the history, read up on the Proctors procject.

I move that we table the actual discussion for the = actual meeting.=C2=A0 I think at this point we're just gathering topics= FOR discussion?

Should mailing list moderation be= added to the agenda or not?

I may be out of place= here but it seems an involved discussion about it would defeat the purpose= of having a meeting.

At the least, wouldn't a= change of subject line or list might help keep *this* topic about the meet= ing itself less cluttered?

--
Regards,

Roy Bamford
(Neddyseagoon) a member of
elections
gentoo-ops
forum-mods

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