From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40741138334 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 12:48:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 997D1E09F9; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 12:48:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi1-x242.google.com (mail-oi1-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22CA1E0872; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 12:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi1-x242.google.com with SMTP id i6so17247537oia.6; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 04:48:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OlL3mlhq46RUBuVsLPjfplViyj5DIY5S1fxhBsuGyC4=; b=cFbWInTFj8fowMOHBfotebFw9SqyRZVXfZMKWSMtt9xNidwJe8pgnNKQKGv34ROUGa jONnTnhHN1wSPa6ihea7+UqIObLtpiTlGoxEseeM4WSwzja3dIqmG1DyTlVelAJ+K530 uHxjouuPW2ghsLXn/o4Z1CA4b6gD6yd6Z5OrXoMt3AV9G6WuE+b+BDXJWF3lWHVCWvv7 ht53A8FoWXD/u8YQUESxW7rYnFOM1wOsGwC0slha3x+V5Obax6GMHgn1+ewDZK4Ob6CJ NtwspxXZ1s1RpAbp/9U1sk1kUrRRqwpKMV+iDWhU2d4HYi2SffkhVixsv/AAjMVXiXIS b5hA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OlL3mlhq46RUBuVsLPjfplViyj5DIY5S1fxhBsuGyC4=; b=hC8oQtOfyvhEIzJNGCARyGmPH3IatTNpKTsWKQ4peJrdPKGAVH/BAt+I5pFn58itJn MphcEWtIbcHNo92eOCVTltPuPoWCrUmxL6QOhCKauFawhDtU7HAUi2yAC9NjYb50DEkP 9EM7BRxSLi2JTPkh8r0aBSZtind5faRMFeBY//kDM3vLr5LI3LWUDeJzGCSxeG5ltclR 7Blm/fgGvrmd1+cJUSg/v4HrI+Uov4FremW5CyWoBbY1Fg/Jj3cSoLuKmPZb/up/IP4/ p1qFi/mSx8TDDS5bBKS1ZKsWlZsEblltxVw3lc0EBFu3fQMQdqmduFSr/+eWXLRFor50 QQ6A== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWaIOaNxmFqXzQ3dvRv5meNcmf/E0X27XlDGgEaEzRkt9UdsUB5D nQ27/A/6KlMnhiTOd0oulGIxPqHupklLsApuzLJuINGP X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/Xm+FBaqGCRYuoTK49A+Qg+n8mvGeX1QUgpxMjYf/GvcmgFhWg0YHuRTBQYwSKSNvm4p2ERho9dtac1ChCL8mI= X-Received: by 2002:aca:f18:: with SMTP id 24mr16668956oip.310.1546001334680; Fri, 28 Dec 2018 04:48:54 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1544348661.1112.8.camel@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <1544348661.1112.8.camel@gentoo.org> From: Raymond Jennings Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 04:48:18 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Notice of resignation of foundation membership To: gentoo-nfp Cc: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 223f16d9-9724-44d2-9cc3-8d23e81d29a0 X-Archives-Hash: 7479f196c1736eabe9a96de5073b8d3f On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 1:44 AM Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny w= rote: > On Sat, 2018-12-08 at 15:33 -0800, Raymond Jennings wrote: > > Well, apparently according to the bylaws, I need to give at least 30 da= ys > > notice per clause 4.8 > > > > Additionally I never signed my email with GPG so it's probably not even > > valid anyway. > > > > In the interim I've been encouraged to reconsider, so accordingly I'm > > withdrawing my resignation, such as it is. > > > > Things need to change in Gentoo though. I've had unsolicited encourage= ment > > from no less than 5 people in this matter and it reflects a serious > > cultural problem inside Gentoo. Apparently I'm not the only person who= has > > been driven to exile by toxic behavior. I'm sure everyone remembers zl= g's > > resignation as a trustee motivated by similiar reasons. > > > > This is not healthy for Gentoo as a community, and ultimately as a dist= ro. > > > > It's funny that you mentioned Daniel Campbell because you're using > the same technique as he did. You have some unresolved issues with me, > so first you attack and insult me publicly. At the same time, you try > to portrait yourself as the victim and dramatize into quitting Gentoo, > in order to gain compassion and support for your attack on me. When > that ultimately fails and you don't get the support you expected, you > suddenly find excuses not to quit after all. You are misconstruing the motives behind my actions. Since you're not a mind reader you don't have the benefit of seeing what I'm thinking first hand, but allow me to explain. When I said "unsolicited", I meant it. I was not expecting people to approach me and explain to me that I was not the only one who was apparently victimized by toxic behavior from you. My resignation was not intended to gain compassion. I welcome it, but it was unsolicited. To be blunt, I was surprised. The "excuses" you speak of are completely valid, but they were seen by me because of the encouragement I got, and they have nothing to do with me not getting support in an attack on you. > I have always been professional towards you. I have never publicly > exposed what you've been doing. You could at least try to be > professional towards me as well. I probably could use some education in how to actually be professional. I suffer from autism and social skills often elude me. I would however dispute that you have been professional towards me. Your legal threat (which btw I've gotten evidence is unfounded) as documented on bug 620010. Comments 8 and 9 of bug 620010 made by you, and I quote, "His Foundation membership is a sad joke against the hard-working Gentoo community." and "Thank you for your professional consideration. However, I should like to point out that the request for audit has been based not on whether he is a developer (which is a obvious point) but regarding his 'contributions'. P" both come off as pejorative and insulting, for example the likely sarcasm quotes around "contributions". Calling my membership a sad joke was, in my opinion, completely out of line especially given that I have provided evidence in that bug of my contributions (which to be fair were mostly outside of direct commits to the portage tree). There's also the fact that the bug in question directly concerned me and you neglected to add me to the CC list. My opinion is that I should have found out about it before I noticed it come up in a trustee meeting. Even if the commentary was not public at the time it was still made in front of others. Furthermore, the reason you cited on the bugzilla regarding my removal from pmaint cited inactivity, however, your commentary on IRC in gpm "[22:56:39] Spyro: because having you around is much more effort to everyone than benefit" contradicts that. Apart from the apparent hostility on your part, I also find the contradiction suggestive of dishonesty on your part on bugzilla. For the above reasons I very much disagree that you have been nothing but professional towards me. To your credit, I do think you're a strong contributor on a technical front, but your actions give me the impression that your attitude and how you treat people is detrimental to gentoo. No less than 3 others have concurred with this opinion. > -- > Best regards, > Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny