[gentoo-project] Fwd: [Bug 708986] veremitz: abusing the ML for frivolous chatter

[gentoo-project] Fwd: [Bug 708986] veremitz: abusing the ML for frivolous chatter

[Michael 'veremitz' Everitt]

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This should never have been posted on -dev in the first place .. so here's
the more appropriate place for discussion ..

Oh Mikle, you better ban me from this list y'know .. this is confidential
info on a public list again ..


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Subject: 	[Bug 708986] veremitz: abusing the ML for frivolous chatter
Date: 	Wed, 19 Feb 2020 08:22:05 +0000
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*Comment # 14 <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708986#c14> on bug
708986 <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708986> from Mikle Kolyada
<mailto:zlogene@gentoo.org> *

(In reply to Michael 'veremitz' Everitt from comment #13 <show_bug.cgi?id=708986#c13>)
> Seriously guys, if you're gonna enact a ban, get on with it, otherwise it > looks like you're taking the piss when you threaten actions and never
follow > through until weeks afterwards because $procedure $policy and
general lag > and incompetence and disinterest from the parties involved. >
> As the great proverb once said (and I hear this translates adequately
well > into non-English) .. Shit or Get Off the Pot. > > OK? > > [and you
wonder why this whole process/procedure thing looks so broken and > stupid
from the outside, or even from the inside.....] > > > Yes, I'm actually
advocating for my own ban. GET ON WITH IT.

Please leave your hissy fit outside gentoo, nobody must read it here.

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[gentoo-project] Re: Fwd: [Bug 708986] veremitz: abusing the ML for frivolous chatter

[Michael 'veremitz' Everitt]

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There is a chance though, that it'll take you two weeks to "decide" .. LOL :D

On 19/02/20 09:04, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote:
> This should never have been posted on -dev in the first place .. so
> here's the more appropriate place for discussion ..
>
> Oh Mikle, you better ban me from this list y'know .. this is confidential
> info on a public list again ..
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: 	[Bug 708986] veremitz: abusing the ML for frivolous chatter
> Date: 	Wed, 19 Feb 2020 08:22:05 +0000
> From: 	bugzilla-daemon@gentoo.org
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> To: 	gentoo@veremit.xyz
>
>
>
> *Comment # 14 <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708986#c14> on bug
> 708986 <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708986> from Mikle
> Kolyada <mailto:zlogene@gentoo.org> *
> (In reply to Michael 'veremitz' Everitt from comment #13 <show_bug.cgi?id=708986#c13>)
> > Seriously guys, if you're gonna enact a ban, get on with it, otherwise it > looks like you're taking the piss when you threaten actions and never
> follow > through until weeks afterwards because $procedure $policy and
> general lag > and incompetence and disinterest from the parties involved.
> > > As the great proverb once said (and I hear this translates adequately
> well > into non-English) .. Shit or Get Off the Pot. > > OK? > > [and you
> wonder why this whole process/procedure thing looks so broken and >
> stupid from the outside, or even from the inside.....] > > > Yes, I'm
> actually advocating for my own ban. GET ON WITH IT.
>
> Please leave your hissy fit outside gentoo, nobody must read it here.
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Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Fwd: [Bug 708986] veremitz: abusing the ML for frivolous chatter

[Raymond Jennings]

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On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 1:06 AM Michael 'veremitz' Everitt <
gentoo@veremit.xyz> wrote:

> There is a chance though, that it'll take you two weeks to "decide" .. LOL
> :D
>
> On 19/02/20 09:04, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote:
>
> This should never have been posted on -dev in the first place .. so here's
> the more appropriate place for discussion ..
>
> Oh Mikle, you better ban me from this list y'know .. this is confidential
> info on a public list again ..
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: [Bug 708986] veremitz: abusing the ML for frivolous chatter
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 08:22:05 +0000
> From: bugzilla-daemon@gentoo.org
> Reply-To: DO NOT REPLY <devnull@localhost.invalid>
> <devnull@localhost.invalid>
> To: gentoo@veremit.xyz
>
> *Comment # 14 <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708986#c14> on bug
> 708986 <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708986> from Mikle Kolyada
> <zlogene@gentoo.org> *
>
> (In reply to Michael 'veremitz' Everitt from comment #13 <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708986#c13>)> Seriously guys, if you're gonna enact a ban, get on with it, otherwise it
> > looks like you're taking the piss when you threaten actions and never follow
> > through until weeks afterwards because $procedure $policy and general lag
> > and incompetence and disinterest from the parties involved.
> >
> > As the great proverb once said (and I hear this translates adequately well
> > into non-English) .. Shit or Get Off the Pot.
> >
> > OK?
> >
> > [and you wonder why this whole process/procedure thing looks so broken and
> > stupid from the outside, or even from the inside.....]
> >
> >
> > Yes, I'm actually advocating for my own  ban. GET ON WITH IT.
>
> Please leave your hissy fit outside gentoo, nobody must read it here.
>
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> Veremitz, in spite of whatever sympathy I may or may not have for your
case, this sort of inflammatory dialog is at a minimum spam that clutters
the lists.

Please, for the good of the project, take your grievances to the
appropriate venue.

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Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Fwd: [Bug 708986] veremitz: abusing the ML for frivolous chatter

[Michael 'veremitz' Everitt]

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On 19/02/20 16:31, Raymond Jennings wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 1:06 AM Michael 'veremitz' Everitt
> <gentoo@veremit.xyz <mailto:gentoo@veremit.xyz>> wrote:
>
>     There is a chance though, that it'll take you two weeks to "decide"
>     .. LOL :D
>
>     On 19/02/20 09:04, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote:
>>     This should never have been posted on -dev in the first place .. so
>>     here's the more appropriate place for discussion ..
>>
>>     Oh Mikle, you better ban me from this list y'know .. this is
>>     confidential info on a public list again ..
>>
>>
>>     -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>     Subject: 	[Bug 708986] veremitz: abusing the ML for frivolous chatter
>>     Date: 	Wed, 19 Feb 2020 08:22:05 +0000
>>     From: 	bugzilla-daemon@gentoo.org <mailto:bugzilla-daemon@gentoo.org>
>>     Reply-To: 	DO NOT REPLY <devnull@localhost.invalid>
>>     <mailto:devnull@localhost.invalid>
>>     To: 	gentoo@veremit.xyz <mailto:gentoo@veremit.xyz>
>>
>>
>>
>>     *Comment # 14 <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708986#c14>
>>     on bug 708986 <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708986> from
>>     Mikle Kolyada <mailto:zlogene@gentoo.org> *
>>     (In reply to Michael 'veremitz' Everitt from comment #13 <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708986#c13>)
>>     > Seriously guys, if you're gonna enact a ban, get on with it, otherwise it > looks like you're taking the piss when you threaten actions and
>>     never follow > through until weeks afterwards because $procedure
>>     $policy and general lag > and incompetence and disinterest from the
>>     parties involved. > > As the great proverb once said (and I hear
>>     this translates adequately well > into non-English) .. Shit or Get
>>     Off the Pot. > > OK? > > [and you wonder why this whole
>>     process/procedure thing looks so broken and > stupid from the
>>     outside, or even from the inside.....] > > > Yes, I'm actually
>>     advocating for my own ban. GET ON WITH IT.
>>
>>     Please leave your hissy fit outside gentoo, nobody must read it here.
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> Veremitz, in spite of whatever sympathy I may or may not have for your
> case, this sort of inflammatory dialog is at a minimum spam that clutters
> the lists.
>
> Please, for the good of the project, take your grievances to the
> appropriate venue.
>
With respect, this is the problem Gentoo faces .. either you address the
issues, or you continue hiding from them, and sweeping them under the
carpet. Historically there's never been a particularly good solution - and
consequently time goes on, making the same noises, half-assing the response
and just generally looking incompetent. If you're gonna have a policy on
something - use it .. quit bickering about its contents, and live with it.
That's my point here, and it amuses me each time some more time is wasted
bike-shedding "what to do" .. and just general lag. If people, self
included, actually DID as much as they shout/bicker/bike-shed about, this
distribution wouldn't have half the problems of manpower it suffers...

Yes, perhaps I'm being a bit of a psycho martyr here, but I think a few
people need to hear examples of "what went wrong" so they can look at "why"
and perhaps explore "what should we do better" - but that's probably a bit
optimistic on my part ..

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