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From: Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org>
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo: growing pains & the future.
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On 16 June 2013 22:21, Robin H. Johnson <robbat2@gentoo.org> wrote:
> (Please reply on the gentoo-project list, I have set the Reply-To header
> for this mail appropriately).
>
> ===
> TL;DR:
> - Does GLEP39 still serve all the needs of Gentoo? Devrel useful?
> - How to improve ourselves as a distribution (technical) and as people
> (personal interactions)?
> - Would EVERY developer please start acting professionally in all fora?
> ===
>
Hi Robin
I am really glad you sent that e-mail. Personally, I will try to give
short answers to the previously mentioned bullet points.
- DevRel is useful as long as GLEP39 is in place. I wish we could get
rid of GLEP39 but I believe council is the only entity that can
render this GLEP obsolete.
- We can't improve ourselves. People don't change. You can either
behave good or you can't. If you need a slap to make you behave
nicely, then this is not going to work in the long-term. And you can't
improve a distribution technical wise, if you have people who can't
work together.
- We've been requesting this for a very very long time, yet 2 days ago
we had another incident. So I'd say, no, we can't.
--
Regards,
Markos Chandras - Gentoo Linux Developer
http://dev.gentoo.org/~hwoarang