From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B0F1381F3 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 08:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B154E08C0; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 08:37:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FEF8E0888 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 08:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f178.google.com with SMTP id k10so1913164wiv.11 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 01:37:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=QEjUb+3dhnpok0GocqWesXlpfR7pzkUQP6OenCPlO0A=; b=pnSnlTW8pSNR2EzG7eC9KCD/WTR+jhzAgC60UJwjQUUSWmPo2QvctVd/8Ep2vbA0d7 CtdhFZKC52PS/R9KxfboE7/r9PRakxAplToEEWZ/UqcJO6XqcvJ9Brn9/SD1HHEcT4NH bSbvB1no66qx6UHsGQLRdES+4NI7d0ai+wpZNqKgXQz5yBTuGGv/H3yW5SX9S+DGC4TE gWbAN7JPZF7Gdzl57vt4SbFR0ma1fyrwo0FhaiioQQ4lTEuVQi4F2cXNtvsbn9zXrwIy 7UOEM80JfH5LJoTK/Aakmb9rFf8qSFjIQUELaLuEVQqiKmXwUgf0ZgfEZqaDzOQRZ+uS 1p1Q== X-Received: by 10.194.242.229 with SMTP id wt5mr7058059wjc.36.1371458225874; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 01:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markos.chandras@gmail.com Received: by 10.194.136.115 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 01:36:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130616212124.GA29293@orbis-terrarum.net> References: <20130616212124.GA29293@orbis-terrarum.net> From: Markos Chandras Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:36:25 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: HjbO14Hl1QatbDbang1BsqTcQDc Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo: growing pains & the future. To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: d32734e1-b3c2-4b78-a88d-000fb99b0623 X-Archives-Hash: e3292e120c9ba981a2841725aac5859c On 16 June 2013 22:21, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > (Please reply on the gentoo-project list, I have set the Reply-To header > for this mail appropriately). > > === > TL;DR: > - Does GLEP39 still serve all the needs of Gentoo? Devrel useful? > - How to improve ourselves as a distribution (technical) and as people > (personal interactions)? > - Would EVERY developer please start acting professionally in all fora? > === > Hi Robin I am really glad you sent that e-mail. Personally, I will try to give short answers to the previously mentioned bullet points. - DevRel is useful as long as GLEP39 is in place. I wish we could get rid of GLEP39 but I believe council is the only entity that can render this GLEP obsolete. - We can't improve ourselves. People don't change. You can either behave good or you can't. If you need a slap to make you behave nicely, then this is not going to work in the long-term. And you can't improve a distribution technical wise, if you have people who can't work together. - We've been requesting this for a very very long time, yet 2 days ago we had another incident. So I'd say, no, we can't. -- Regards, Markos Chandras - Gentoo Linux Developer http://dev.gentoo.org/~hwoarang