From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB0A1381F3 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:02:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CBD8A21C002 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:02:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oa0-f53.google.com (mail-oa0-f53.google.com [209.85.219.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AB8EE0028 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:08:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id j6so7257897oag.40 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:08:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=e9Tt4nwIpyDRET+IPHgPsS2XNh/WrndEfcIJ89UUy/M=; b=z4LDvZGe8r7CtJJsh2jxzttwXqnW7c6ucd03cBx43o+f2s322s/b4k2lfsp0WQuiJK nInq1IxhbD8ODSe55MY0KXFchrkLN4RCy1RBjrYM8Tupghsg4TC6kYTm+t38Kq0KeX/1 N/nwh2Lx7WTQKfbSmsF4TWMOLg1NQFTiCcpPCp3fXhnb7dA5df4MVT4eLdTwWgLDj8Tb 83/9uJUwUJie6p+hfKdLg/XQKN/1d5Mf0sYSl5Sh9ipsrgBo5O2/hdY9RPymovdi/tqC Vgb3uqEmMz30mLLWREYRcwKC1IVWhBwEj3KwJi8NZMJ8NQgUKtRFC0yXImWuNqFp5ADj 5RPw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.226.33 with SMTP id rp1mr15191161obc.88.1352819316727; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:08:36 -0800 (PST) Sender: markos.chandras@gmail.com Received: by 10.76.151.8 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:08:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50A24AD0.3060700@gentoo.org> References: <50A1B335.2080907@gentoo.org> <50A24AD0.3060700@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:08:36 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: UE1JHWEOyJfON_Sc1hP5wmvKSPw Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] With regard to udev stabilization From: Markos Chandras To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: 572119ec-3433-468e-8be8-2e094b1e9f12 X-Archives-Hash: 7cf69cd6d64e6932e61be4d5ab6b7f95 On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Richard Yao wrote: > I plan to CC him when I make the official project announcement. > > On 11/13/2012 06:49 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote: >> I think we also ought to contact Linus, to have some input on what the >> forked-udev (vdev? gdev? nlpdev?) *shouldn't* be. Lest we tread the same >> path that led to him calling udev 'stupid'. >> >> Just my 2 cents. Apologies if it's worthless :-| >> >> Rgds, >> -- >> On Nov 13, 2012 4:32 PM, "Markos Chandras" wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Richard Yao wrote: >>>> Dear Everyone, >>>> >>>> It is no secret that many of us are unhappy with the direction that udev >>>> has taken under the leadership of the systemd developers. That includes >>>> Linus Torvalds, who is 'leery of the fact that the udev maintenance >>>> seems to have gone into some "crazy mode" where they have made changes >>>> that were known to be problematic, and are pure and utter stupidity.' >>>> >>>> https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/2/505 >>>> >>>> After speaking with several other Gentoo developers that share Linus' >>>> concerns, I have decided to form a team to fork udev. Our plan is to >>>> eliminate the separate /usr requirement from our fork, among other >>>> things. We will announce the project later this week. >>>> >>>> I understand that the council is scheduled to vote on a topic related to >>>> udev stabilization. Would it be possible to delay the vote for another >>>> month so that we have time to get organized? >>>> >>>> Yours truly, >>>> Richard Yao >>>> >>> >>> Have you tried contacting other distros? They may face the same >>> problems with us and they might be interested >>> in helping us out. >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2 >>> >>> >> > > Please don't top-post. It messes this thread really bad. -- Regards, Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2