From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4D91381F3 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:18:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 68105E09AE; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3D91E08CA for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:18:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id hj3so356383wib.12 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 04:18:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=BEwhWIg/ZodWsZKtNUstnT0MZz5OJenNKRrqVhIBOtY=; b=rIaNQ2dt3/r56ESyotHNG+/fADJBqn/HQQNwqtgykibrFUEJnBlVejYuzNRWIblvqq xUIDlMoOf8uHEisGHGmrZFKYZrm4APZ8qmZEugg78kp4IhTkQjIVaAKd9ZtqOBGFmctf ETs8VfnH1t/Io+rTkMN+CaBRMXiXcmNSglh47kK8ZzltadV0AwnYf381fyJCAd1Iuuv6 E+3d0ZX2baHvaiHVRdnD0alHE7iFUrhqrWvDYrW38LQPGAqx8ixEDGkNki6+9p0KFRkr JluyCsB+KuyZ3ZZQJQ7Nt07LXFdM5sLHogdoiotRdY/3V4IOjxf7+nHleYTIY2KrV/8+ zgvA== X-Received: by 10.194.242.229 with SMTP id wt5mr11331459wjc.36.1371035913321; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 04:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markos.chandras@gmail.com Received: by 10.194.136.115 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 04:17:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Markos Chandras Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:17:53 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: cB74h4ChLGQ_goeSEN2ca0KAg-o Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Council: Policy for Systemd units To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 53acb7e2-2f87-424c-81bb-4a5447119f37 X-Archives-Hash: 9ab6241d39c1730996833dfcbfaa5e10 On 12 June 2013 12:05, Rich Freeman wrote: > Alas, I couldn't attend the council meeting in-person, but it seems > like council missed the point of my request RE commits against > maintainer wishes (or maybe not - if so I'll happily shut up as far as > persuading the council goes). That said, I expressed it as a general > request in the hope to not have something systemd-specific, and it > sounds like that is not desired. > > Picking just a single quote that I think gives the sense of the discussion: > > <11.06.2013 19:10> <@Betelgeuse> Still I don't think policies > necessary need adjusting > <11.06.2013 19:10> <@Betelgeuse> If you need something system wide > with opposition then ask council on a case by case basis > > So, what we need system-wide with clearly stated opposition on -dev is > permission to add unit files to individual packages when the package > maintainer doesn't want this done. > > I'd ask that the council consider explicitly permitting this. If not > you're just going to get an agenda item for specific exceptions for > the 10 packages that the maintainer blocked adding units to that > particular month. Either that or you'll see 10 new packages with > co-maintainers where the two maintainers are in complete disagreement, > or the one who actually cares about the package and not the unit file > quits and the package stagnates as a result. Nobody needs council > permission under the current policies to become a co-maintainer. I > really see this as a case where lack of direction from above is just > going to lead to a lot of fighting at the ground level. > > If the council isn't willing to make policy regarding adding units to > packages, just where do they expect them to go? > > Rich > What worries me is that we've reached the point where we need the Council to define a policy for adding simple text file to packages. If maintainers can't work things out then a policy can't fix that. We simply can't have a policy for every single bit. If maintainers refuse as responsible adults then the problem is deeper. Having to read the rulebook everytime we want to commit something takes the fun away. -- Regards, Markos Chandras - Gentoo Linux Developer http://dev.gentoo.org/~hwoarang