From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591661381F3 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 18:36:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 09CDDE09D7; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 18:36:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C75EE09D5 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 18:36:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f169.google.com with SMTP id n57so7302473wev.14 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:36:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=VvNmpJjZdG4wHi91ofHFNbjppj2c1OGj0rp7JL5he5Y=; b=QRRewH7IKRLitq5IV0mvuhAnCerWCBmwrqP1auHK0vRBi2DiYjI7bY8OnMK9LPI1qA wwvVsF4dpRHv5tzOzUt77BYpCIM/5a1GRnBlaERBlxSsS/4OLiMfKPhXX4gypG67pANg th41IBxkLLPfAoorBwV+KIhsemd/9F6gH4OQ/0dHmeVfdME1lX59tuWTcjto+Ei2ICJP lnVlnTZRZX3GXMV3VoDIXYkZ9mbBjBcxXB8qOUGSP4mvedRipbVGmICclNc0Q5YuJKE9 VGhY6j7FGoAyMv2+SNmBrftorGCzy3DqT6gEKfOhKVlji7yMCgP5xp+0SJWS/ERatVpn yo3Q== X-Received: by 10.180.198.10 with SMTP id iy10mr5391707wic.29.1371062194849; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markos.chandras@gmail.com Received: by 10.194.136.115 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:35:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130612185106.0f2b0120@gentoo.org> References: <1371039602.27198.24.camel@localhost> <20130612162535.570c2bc0@gentoo.org> <51B898F9.5070105@gentoo.org> <20920.40688.601476.657961@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20920.41908.440583.378650@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20130612185106.0f2b0120@gentoo.org> From: Markos Chandras Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 19:35:53 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: AM_pUd_JLzgPhLmX11g8V3yHaic Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Council: Policy for Systemd units To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Ulrich_M=C3=BCller?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 8123f6a2-33b0-44f2-9718-2e81478721ba X-Archives-Hash: 9b0dc8b8e7035c9a73da1390ef8d1eb3 On 12 June 2013 17:51, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > Dnia 2013-06-12, o godz. 18:37:08 > Ulrich Mueller napisa=C5=82(a): > >> >>>>> On Wed, 12 Jun 2013, Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 Chv=C3=A1tal wrote: >> >> >> There was the argument that the unit file wasn't accepted upstream, >> >> and I wouldn't dismiss this lightly. Often it's a cleaner solution >> >> if files foreign to a package are installed by a separate >> >> supplementary package. It avoids recompilation of the original >> >> package by the user, for example. >> >> > So is openrc file. >> > So is logrotate file. >> > So are cron scripts. >> >> I was more thinking about support files for Emacs, where we do this >> all the time: If the file is included with the upstream package, it's >> being installed by that package's ebuild. Otherwise, it will go into >> its own separate package. (And I guess it is similar for Vim.) > > That's very inconsistent and therefore problematic for users. Some > packages work out-of-the-box, others require manually merging > additional packages... > > I was thinking of trying to find a better way of providing support > files. I thought about it for a minute then decide it's not really > worth it. There's no simpler and more efficient way than just adding > that tiny file to the package. > > Even if that sums up to 10 different files, no other solution can be > better. If you introduce additional packages, the ebuilds, cache, vardb > -- it is all going to take up more space than those installed files. > > -- > Best regards, > Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny This entire thread proves how immature we are as a developer community and that we rather ignore our users for the sake of our interests and stubbornness. And of course this is a classic example of a non-existing or bad leadership. -- Regards, Markos Chandras - Gentoo Linux Developer http://dev.gentoo.org/~hwoarang