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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 09:06:32 -0500
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Council: Policy for Systemd units
From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= <caneko@gmail.com>
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On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:
> Well, I'm 'just' a user of Gentoo, but please allow me to share my 2
> cents...
>
> On Jun 15, 2013 5:52 PM, "Rich Freeman" <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 6:31 AM, Tom Wijsman <TomWij@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> > On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:01:47 +0430
>> > Ch=C3=AD-Thanh Christopher Nguy=E1=BB=85n <chithanh@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> So what? If one approach is better, then over time it will win over
>> >> the others. If there is not one single best approach, then users will
>> >> have to live with the diversity (or inconsistency as you call it).
>> >
>> > "users have to live with"
>> >
>> > Seriously?
>>
>> ++
>>
>> I don't really think this libertarian where there are 14 versions of
>> glibc in the tree actually exists. I'm not really sure there is a
>> single example of the same package (with the same upstream) being
>> mantained even two ways in the tree, and if there happens to be one it
>> is a rare situation indeed. I don't think there is harm in having it
>> happen on occasion, but it really can't be the rule.
>>
>> We can barely maintain the packages we have. We won't improve the
>> situation by having 3 different editions of postfix in the tree.
>> Maybe one has a really good config file that "just works" on install,
>> another includes an openrc script but hasn't been updated in a year,
>> and another includes a systemd script. Do we expect users to install
>> all three into chroots and then manually merge the parts that are sane
>> from each onto their system because three devs don't want to talk to
>> each other and maintain a single package even though the work they are
>> doing has no technical incompatibilities?
>>
>> If a developer doesn't want to work on blobs like nvidia-drivers or
>> whatever, then that isn't a big deal - just don't help out with that
>> package. The issue here is when devs want to essentially block the
>> work of others, even though the other dev is willing to do the work to
>> ensure that quality is good for the end-users and accept any bugs that
>> result. That is essentially territorialism and it doesn't benefit
>> Gentoo at all.
>>
>
> Very well put. I call this concept "sub-maintainer".
>
> Users wanting systemd support files should get them by specifying
> USE=3Dsystemd
>
> Users who don't want systemd files? They should specify USE=3D-systemd
Wrong. Users who don't want systemd files should set INSTALL_MASK. The
same for users who don't want OpenRC scripts, or logrotate scripts.
Regards.
--
Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n
Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico