From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B12BC138A1A for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 02:57:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 30288E09F5; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 02:57:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f177.google.com (mail-ig0-f177.google.com [209.85.213.177]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88164E09D6 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 02:57:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f177.google.com with SMTP id z20so17711783igj.4 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 18:57:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=E7b/B339j+feD5RfJg79zyAIyS/4qQQH8uzTNvVe8dk=; b=EjIV5k3axxcFv9yul96X2E/l9kkbRZa+Uc+PPZVYM9W5pxC3GBU1whFVyZ6lseqjgf WvEqP9t+YJRc/kM7nyqgTYrjUoKPe+ryDbtYfTAQrLEXZZjMOcFOmn7iR6HSuQ3HmdcQ RhYRw0u5fM7i80vouI6mWbjG57fo8IpXOQ//SiFWdeQZfxKHpn7Yivo8sUiwcZouMdtW OwmOXWaXxnhewh0hDazXjD0hZUsmlwQCCMq6bdjq7faNiwoXq2MpV2dXxMHJeDsMAeC+ Bwyddg7Z/fGBosFj8yQHLz+U9ljH2RtncC9DE+1GYpDw+eehOlpHS9bT6t+3/g1UoPCJ QDGg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.43.12.198 with SMTP id pj6mr22796667icb.14.1423969071965; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 18:57:51 -0800 (PST) Sender: yngwin@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.19.2 with HTTP; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 18:57:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1423967017.19532.4.camel@gentoo.org> References: <201502142148.30540.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <1423967017.19532.4.camel@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 10:57:51 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: XujYa4AA66IfVoUG0V1c6zGrB4Q Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo, GitHub, and the Social Contract From: Ben de Groot To: gentoo-project Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 1436ac7e-5e72-424e-9bb5-b54ffce542dc X-Archives-Hash: 2c8d8c149db1d5cfad877e6a355ff83b On 15 February 2015 at 10:23, Mart Raudsepp wrote: > On L, 2015-02-14 at 16:37 -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Andreas K. Huettel >> wrote: >> > >> > We need to resolve this discussion somehow, by formulating a clear pol= icy. >> > Which is why I'm putting it up here for discussion and will ask to add= it to >> > the next council meeting agenda. >> >> I tend to agree with what seems to be the general sentiment. As long >> as we still accept patches via bugzilla/etc, then we aren't >> "depending" on github. >> >> FOSS alternatives are to be preferred, but since we don't have those >> set up, I don't see why we have to live without anything in the >> meantime. If somebody wants to host such a thing, I'd encourage them >> to do so, and work with infra if they'll accept help. > > That is a good question. > I'm sorry if I am the only one to point this out, but: > We do NOT have even a WEB VIEW of our OFFICIAL overlays to see what is > going on there without BLINDLY cloning git URIs randomly! > Why should contributors care ONE BIT about things outside their comfort > zone of contributions, which is github in many cases these days? > After 6 months of complete blindness on official overlays, I was > eventually pointed at an outside cgit which shows what's going on there. > > After 2 years of talking, we are still using CVS. > > It is not surprising one bit that GitHub is the last hope to people > hoping to help out, with some folks willing to get their contributions > to actually MATTER. > We have failed the community to provide any reasonable free software > ways to contribute. So semi-open source ways it is. > > > With all the respect to the infra team they have done with their > existing capabilities, but we need to do better and find better ways to > achieve what we can with existing resources and fix this completely sad > state. > > > Mart > > It is unfortunate that things fall through the cracks at infra, and more and more useful tools are not provided by services under gentoo.org, but by personal initiatives and hosted on other domains. For this reason I propose that Sven Wegener, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny, and Pa= trick Lauer be made members of the infra team, because they get things done that the other infra members don't (for whatever reason, not pointing fingers here). I'm thinking here about useful tools such as: - https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo-portage-rsync-mirror - http://cgit.gentooexperimental.org/ - #gentoo-commits bot - AutoRepoman --=20 Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo developer