From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RGdEf-0004Xm-Qp for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:59:38 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D567E069C; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f53.google.com (mail-yw0-f53.google.com [209.85.213.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5389E05A5 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywm19 with SMTP id 19so2756468ywm.40 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:59:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=cvhyD0XFJV4K/hnWhfEWPX0AeV/6f4RD9nsuNJN85wI=; b=UqTh4rCf++l5zVV1jSxmaT4It0kXbyI+65aXHyjgAM8aDP+0OEza2YFUN9ZzLmW3+r uJgIPQszjgvFdvee1n64TdnPPakk86Z6Uu7H7pH7noO6mkfpOjqs/rMsE2enFXdfPMvu Y71QV016grkA5Xr2p0oyFn8rVmryMUwHE9FAI= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.77.6 with SMTP id e6mr13327781fak.32.1319057957965; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.72.5 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:59:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1319027877.9205.75.camel@tablet> <201110192152.24768.reavertm@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:59:17 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] wiki: bad top-down localization approach From: David Valentim Dias To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174780a805cdf704afad1db2 X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 81194ae0294d4adc074767bd41b2850d --0015174780a805cdf704afad1db2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We don't need all features in first "release", users just want something usable aka "oh a page full of info about my problem/interest". 2011/10/19 Rich Freeman > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Maciej Mrozowski > wrote: > > Actually, I don't see the point in having Gentoo Wiki pages in other > languages > > but English at all. Why? Quality of those will vary greatly. > > I think such localized versions should be permitted only if they are > 'literal' > > translation of English version and if we keep all language versions in > sync, > > but we cannot really ensure this. > > Well, it is certainly possible to do, but whether we want to do it is > something else. > > If this is to be an "official" wiki then pages should have maintainers > to keep an eye on them, much as packages do. That doesn't mean > closing off public access - just have somebody keeping an eye on > things. I'm fine with that even being a non-dev role, but it should > be somebody who actually is active. > We lack people even for devel, doc need a really good knowledge about that topic. Wiki page maintainer needed seems fail to me. > > If that model exists I see no reason we can't do it with other > languages - just ensure all pages have a maintainer, and charge them > with keeping the pages equivalent to the English page (within reason). > You can always audit things and rely on complaints to determine how > things are going. > If a maintainer drops the ball you handle it the same way a s a > package - maintainer-needed and pruning. > > I think we need to do most of this stuff even if we're English-only - > I think the only difference with adding other languages is that it > isn't as obvious to everybody if some page is full of obscenities or > whatever... > > Rich > > --=20 Curr=EDculo: http://lattes.cnpq.br/7541377569511492 --0015174780a805cdf704afad1db2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We don't need all features in first "release", users jus= t want something usable aka "oh a page full of info about my problem/i= nterest".

2011/10/19 Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org>
On Wed, Oct 19, 201= 1 at 3:52 PM, Maciej Mrozowski <re= avertm@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, I don't see the point in having Gentoo Wiki pages in oth= er languages
> but English at all. Why? Quality of those will vary greatly.
> I think such localized versions should be permitted only if they are &= #39;literal'
> translation of English version and if we keep all language versions in= sync,
> but we cannot really ensure this.

Well, it is certainly possible to do, but whether we want to do it is=
something else.

If this is to be an "official" wiki then pages should have mainta= iners
to keep an eye on them, much as packages do. =A0That doesn't mean
closing off public access - just have somebody keeping an eye on
things. =A0I'm fine with that even being a non-dev role, but it should<= br> be somebody who actually is active.

We = lack people even for devel, doc need a really good knowledge about that top= ic. Wiki page maintainer needed seems fail to me.
=A0

If that model exists I see no reason we can't do it with other
languages - just ensure all pages have a maintainer, and charge them
with keeping the pages equivalent to the English page (within reason).
=A0You can always audit things and rely on complaints to determine how
= =A0things are going.

If a maintainer drops the ball you handle it the same way a s a
package - maintainer-needed and pruning.

I think we need to do most of this stuff even if we're English-only - I think the only difference with adding other languages is that it
isn't as obvious to everybody if some page is full of obscenities or whatever...

Rich




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