From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A681381F3 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:02:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C7A4821C059 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:02:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from svr-us4.tirtonadi.com (svr-us4.tirtonadi.com [69.65.43.212]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F03F021C00E for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:49:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-da0-f53.google.com ([209.85.210.53]:61322) by svr-us4.tirtonadi.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TYEzK-0028Nu-DB for gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:49:06 +0700 Received: by mail-da0-f53.google.com with SMTP id g9so3107776dad.40 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:49:04 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.66.87.34 with SMTP id u2mr63359903paz.82.1352807344598; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:49:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.233.136 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:49:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.233.136 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:49:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <50A1B335.2080907@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:49:04 +0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] With regard to udev stabilization From: Pandu Poluan To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042ef6893970c604ce5f014d X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - svr-us4.tirtonadi.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.gentoo.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - poluan.info X-Archives-Salt: b4587fe0-ce1b-4ab9-9d4c-8d097d151207 X-Archives-Hash: e4c6a3186317d2e59951c4f64d03b1cb --f46d042ef6893970c604ce5f014d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I think we also ought to contact Linus, to have some input on what the forked-udev (vdev? gdev? nlpdev?) *shouldn't* be. Lest we tread the same path that led to him calling udev 'stupid'. Just my 2 cents. Apologies if it's worthless :-| Rgds, -- On Nov 13, 2012 4:32 PM, "Markos Chandras" wrote: > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Richard Yao wrote: > > Dear Everyone, > > > > It is no secret that many of us are unhappy with the direction that udev > > has taken under the leadership of the systemd developers. That includes > > Linus Torvalds, who is 'leery of the fact that the udev maintenance > > seems to have gone into some "crazy mode" where they have made changes > > that were known to be problematic, and are pure and utter stupidity.' > > > > https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/2/505 > > > > After speaking with several other Gentoo developers that share Linus' > > concerns, I have decided to form a team to fork udev. Our plan is to > > eliminate the separate /usr requirement from our fork, among other > > things. We will announce the project later this week. > > > > I understand that the council is scheduled to vote on a topic related to > > udev stabilization. Would it be possible to delay the vote for another > > month so that we have time to get organized? > > > > Yours truly, > > Richard Yao > > > > Have you tried contacting other distros? They may face the same > problems with us and they might be interested > in helping us out. > > -- > Regards, > Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2 > > --f46d042ef6893970c604ce5f014d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think we also ought to contact Linus, to have some input on what the f= orked-udev (vdev? gdev? nlpdev?) *shouldn't* be. Lest we tread the same= path that led to him calling udev 'stupid'.

Just my 2 cents. Apologies if it's worthless :-|

Rgds,
--

On Nov 13, 2012 4:32 PM, "Markos Chandras&q= uot; <hwoarang@gentoo.org>= wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Richard Yao <ryao@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Dear Everyone,
>
> It is no secret that many of us are unhappy with the direction that ud= ev
> has taken under the leadership of the systemd developers. That include= s
> Linus Torvalds, who is 'leery of the fact that the udev maintenanc= e
> seems to have gone into some "crazy mode" where they have ma= de changes
> that were known to be problematic, and are pure and utter stupidity.&#= 39;
>
> http= s://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/2/505
>
> After speaking with several other Gentoo developers that share Linus&#= 39;
> concerns, I have decided to form a team to fork udev. Our plan is to > eliminate the separate /usr requirement from our fork, among other
> things. We will announce the project later this week.
>
> I understand that the council is scheduled to vote on a topic related = to
> udev stabilization. Would it be possible to delay the vote for another=
> month so that we have time to get organized?
>
> Yours truly,
> Richard Yao
>

Have you tried contacting other distros? They may face the same
problems with us and they might be interested
in helping us out.

--
Regards,
Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2

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