From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A6F11381F3 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:04:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0578B21C02E for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:04:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from svr-us4.tirtonadi.com (svr-us4.tirtonadi.com [69.65.43.212]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F185021C02E for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:52:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f53.google.com ([209.85.220.53]:34417) by svr-us4.tirtonadi.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TYj1B-004EmO-8D for gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 02:53:01 +0700 Received: by mail-pa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id bj3so518471pad.40 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:52:55 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.234.201 with SMTP id ug9mr852051pbc.63.1352922775756; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:52:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.233.136 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:52:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.233.136 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:52:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20121114191529.GA18138@linux1> References: <50A1B335.2080907@gentoo.org> <20121114191529.GA18138@linux1> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 02:52:55 +0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] With regard to udev stabilization From: Pandu Poluan To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33da18751fbd04ce79e1f2 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - svr-us4.tirtonadi.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.gentoo.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - poluan.info X-Archives-Salt: 9451686d-2745-4c1a-a5fc-e77f322df943 X-Archives-Hash: 499ad8ce212699f6fc2e4244df9edbc6 --047d7b33da18751fbd04ce79e1f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Nov 15, 2012 2:16 AM, "William Hubbs" wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 05:07:26PM +0800, Ben de Groot wrote: > > On 13 November 2012 10:40, Richard Yao wrote: > > > > > Dear Everyone, > > > > > > It is no secret that many of us are unhappy with the direction that udev > > > has taken under the leadership of the systemd developers. That includes > > > Linus Torvalds, who is 'leery of the fact that the udev maintenance > > > seems to have gone into some "crazy mode" where they have made changes > > > that were known to be problematic, and are pure and utter stupidity.' > > > > > > https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/2/505 > > > > > > After speaking with several other Gentoo developers that share Linus' > > > concerns, I have decided to form a team to fork udev. Our plan is to > > > eliminate the separate /usr requirement from our fork, among other > > > things. We will announce the project later this week. > > > > > > > > > I applaud this initiative. I would recommend you contact, and try to work > > together with, the existing fork of udev, which is available in layman's > > udev overlay. There is a corresponding thread on our forums. > > I already tried to open a dialog with these guys; they seem pretty > hostile; another "our way or the highway" approach seemed to be going on > there [1]. > > William > > [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/437570 The way I see it, hostilities erupted when Suominen dismissed with great prejudice (and a not insignificant amount of jeer) the idea of udev-forking. That immediately put the passionate people behind the forked-udev to be in the defensive. And you were not really acting as a mediator there William :-) Rgds, -- --047d7b33da18751fbd04ce79e1f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8


On Nov 15, 2012 2:16 AM, "William Hubbs" <williamh@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 05:07:26PM +0800, Ben de Groot wrote:
> > On 13 November 2012 10:40, Richard Yao <ryao@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Everyone,
> > >
> > > It is no secret that many of us are unhappy with the direction that udev
> > > has taken under the leadership of the systemd developers. That includes
> > > Linus Torvalds, who is 'leery of the fact that the udev maintenance
> > > seems to have gone into some "crazy mode" where they have made changes
> > > that were known to be problematic, and are pure and utter stupidity.'
> > >
> > > https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/2/505
> > >
> > > After speaking with several other Gentoo developers that share Linus'
> > > concerns, I have decided to form a team to fork udev. Our plan is to
> > > eliminate the separate /usr requirement from our fork, among other
> > > things. We will announce the project later this week.
> > >
> >
> >
> > I applaud this initiative. I would recommend you contact, and try to work
> > together with, the existing fork of udev, which is available in layman's
> > udev overlay. There is a corresponding thread on our forums.
>
> I already tried to open a dialog with these guys; they seem pretty
> hostile; another "our way or the highway" approach seemed to be going on
> there [1].
>
> William
>
> [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/437570

The way I see it, hostilities erupted when Suominen dismissed with great prejudice (and a not insignificant amount of jeer) the idea of udev-forking.

That immediately put the passionate people behind the forked-udev to be in the defensive.

And you were not really acting as a mediator there William :-)

Rgds,
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