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On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Seemant Kulleen <seemantk@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm sorry to speak publicly, but isn't this email exactly the kind of
> attitude we're trying to reverse. As a senior member of the project, I
> really would hope you set a better example of the change that you, yourself,
> have said you wanted to see.

You are perfectly right to speak publicly. The point I was trying to
make in this email is very simple. The only good way of changing how a
team operates, for better or worse, is to join it. Ordering people
around without actually doing anything only works if you're the one
signing the paychecks.

Have we reached a point where council members are such divas that they
can't even be told when they missed a perfectly good opportunity to
shut up?

Denis.