From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39B31381F3 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 15:06:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2EB10E0AC1; Sun, 26 May 2013 15:06:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f52.google.com (mail-bk0-f52.google.com [209.85.214.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C1EFE0ABD for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 15:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f52.google.com with SMTP id mz10so3206409bkb.25 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 08:06:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Tj8kCXc8/PjTMFaOkVAI8XWry7JKyxyzKP5eVuQNWAc=; b=EqVpOu38d/xETU5nKYJv8H4+qxDJU+61xGulR94EKZGEPy796F/gLs5CqKPoRRFE15 xYc8XXKjRzlBTfb93NspZS0GNMFAWe0YjX0cdKVSWn4jYPNPXeW/t23zmGnIUglfZkWB dx+zvh/EecOX640xHpXq1m6wbFSmLsXOdW18Q/UeP55hZ6mxCdQVdMfBrWsZaEq3b5tz VSaJBXzrtdqm+/Bb4yfOoeaUrjLU3/nRG4Wsjj3BTx+1N03VEaoCygVL+91V6iIpFwBH 2ckt8VrOdZ4wcd8hkPBq7DyHtwvinNxfvojjS1CdDo3V0x4pWPS5WCJVZ4dIKfBFUOlo oqlA== X-Received: by 10.205.47.133 with SMTP id us5mr11085814bkb.110.1369580807873; Sun, 26 May 2013 08:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: denis.dupeyron@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.230.2 with HTTP; Sun, 26 May 2013 08:06:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Denis Dupeyron Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 09:06:07 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: MTSqMv_rd-KY6om7x4xuR3-gIVU Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo Code of Conduct To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 6c65fb10-b357-4313-97fa-437bd7b169d3 X-Archives-Hash: 0ce0124ddaa32ffff69ef1a0acd41d08 On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 5:46 AM, Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 Chv=C3=A1tal wrote: > after last bunch of mails and internal complains I decided it is time to = do > something proactive. I have to applaud the effort but I unfortunately have to warn you that you are fighting windmills here. The core of the problem is that rules are useless long-term if nobody enforces them. That takes somebody with enough balls to make the bold moves. I am typically that person at devrel but both because it's getting old and (to put it mildly) I'm not very supported in that approach I mostly gave up. The other thing is I used to do a lot of pro-active work trying to keep people in check. I took so much heat that I mostly gave that up too. It also takes an enormous amount of time. Bottom line is, and I'm weighing my words very carefully after years of seeing all this from the inside: nobody cares enough. Denis.