From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OUGPp-0007TB-Bn for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 09:50:41 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6EC6CE0A86; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 09:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f181.google.com (mail-gx0-f181.google.com [209.85.161.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5318EE0A86 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 09:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk24 with SMTP id 24so1018733gxk.40 for ; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 02:50:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LuUA9Bw+Cxrv3KC94v8V6eZmkRi0WTP2x8GkGTNIjnE=; b=n40CNPJdlSPjY3uYwCE73yzHy0gnDJoXAP1qk3knXbrFnCth5cHaBalcQvvCCjiJrx mfT5dEDrVEhhRGcdbB8vHOvWZd/6ULQ9FSIRtE5Wq8BK1F4E960iePYdYDxBShp+cL7U itpVyYGKPH4SV/J4MevcIkJb0IOv620c4O1OE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=vTWRTi1AG4FOvFyHR0QmU6lnXAIjQtpAZ7OcC+7vALaDyOYvqDfi/eCOMnVq+wTtKS 5wQYYNBgbBZxQHBkI0pMoBaAR35XU2rBVzLmztDKDOR8n41G1Q70ZTWPrFcUtMHBEbFF RGpzcWbyLlptZksGLnsZgXJsjuPmOdQyk7M6M= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.138.10 with SMTP id q10mr8368059agn.111.1277977827935; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 02:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Sender: nirbheek.chauhan@gmail.com Received: by 10.151.10.11 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 02:50:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C2A895E.9000505@gentoo.org> References: <4C184B06.8040806@gentoo.org> <4C2A895E.9000505@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 15:20:27 +0530 X-Google-Sender-Auth: wvA4jKm8F2YSqaHPs_TgDz86JLI Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] The mis-concept of "slacking" in Gentoo From: Nirbheek Chauhan To: Sebastian Pipping Cc: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: c6a6f427-6ffe-4a43-85db-f1a6c4f4aa3c X-Archives-Hash: b4a0b552a8cc88cddf1e0fcbb48b9a44 On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 5:31 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote= : > On 06/16/10 06:48, Alec Warner wrote: >>> When you are active in Gentoo during one week and less active during th= e >>> next it may happen that people (sometimes jokingly) call you a >>> "slacker". =C2=A0This pattern seems to have become common enough that p= eople >>> even started calling themselves slackers when they are less active than >>> potentially possible. =C2=A0Is this reasonable and healthy? >>> >>> No, it isn't. >> >> Why is it unhealthy? > > I believe it's unhealthy because it's using guilt as a tool. > > Also, it's inverting being a developer from doing something to not not > doing something: inverting being good to not being evil. =C2=A0That's two > different things. > I've never felt guilt when I was called a slacker. Nor have I every used it to induce guilt, nor seen it induce guilt. I've only seen it being used in a humorous or ironical way, and only to people whom you know very well personally. It's a form of bonding, has nothing to do with using guilt as a tool to make someone contribute more to Gentoo. Hell, armin76, one of our *most* active devs, who manages several arches all by himself, took over the mozilla herd when no one was left, etc etc has been called a slacker by me for ironic effect several times. You're jumping to conclusions about this without understanding what they are for, what they mean, etc. The word 'slacker', the word 'fail', the phrase 'use repoman || die', kicking new recruits on #-dev, the word^Wperson 'welp', all are part of an enormous set of in-jokes in Gentoo. In-jokes are an essential part of community bonding *everywhere*. OTOH, it is also very easy to misunderstand and misinterpret in-jokes if you've not been a part of them for very long. Please don't try to dismantle the jokes that make Gentoo fun. --=20 ~Nirbheek Chauhan Gentoo GNOME+Mozilla Team