* Re: [gentoo-project] ComRel / disciplinary action reform proposal
@ 2017-01-20 5:02 99% ` Dean Stephens
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From: Dean Stephens @ 2017-01-20 5:02 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-project
On 01/17/17 12:41, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 23:56:30 -0500
> Dean Stephens <desultory@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
>> On 01/15/17 14:23, Michał Górny wrote:
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>> I think this proposal is utterly unworkable in practice. While the
>> intention is rather obvious, and heavily geared toward actual
>> contributing members of the community at large, the proposed
>> definitional scope and structure are incompatible with actual workloads
>> already in place.
>>
>> To provide some perspective to those unfamiliar with the actual volumes
>> in consideration here, just on the forums there are typically several
>> "users" manually banned per day for posting spam, and perhaps a dozen or
>> two profiles manually banned because the profiles themselves were spam,
>> in addition to that there are typically hundreds (in some cases
>> thousands) of accounts which are effectively automatically banned due to
>> their spam content or at the very least matching reported user profiles
>> on Stop Forum Spam[1]. Opening a Council bug for each of these would be
>> an insurmountable workload if done manually, and at the very least a
>> ludicrous volume of completely pointless mail to all Council members;
>> but it is *exactly* what would be required by this proposal.
>
> It sounds like you have a major technical problem and you do not even
> attempt to solve it. There are many ways of attempting to divert bots,
> and I don't think we should really be using inability to handle spam as
> excuse not to report your actions.
>
It is alright to admit that you are ignorant of a subject, even healthy
to do so. Ignorance is curable. Immediately assuming that others are at
best incompetent is, to put it gently, socially suboptimal.
In case it was somehow unclear to you "effectively automatically banned"
in reference to an automated system that automatically blocks,
effectively banning, those accounts is in place and functioning right
now. The information for those particular accounts is kept around to
document profiles of active spammers and to make remediation trivial in
case of a false positive.
As for other bans being issued regularly, you do realize that any spam
bot worth using would do things like let one or more humans solve
CAPTCHAs, right? And that several classes of CAPTCHA are presently
easier for fully automated bots than for humans? Further, you do realize
that blocking bots would still, by your proposal, explicitly be a
reportable disciplinary action, right?
Ask questions and you might find enlightenment, make accusations and you
will tend to find yourself being ever more ignored.
> Of course, regarding multiple replies received, it would probably just
> be reasonable to generate simple periodical reports instead.
>
The vast majority of which would still be pointless noise, and which
would do nothing to mitigate the burden placed on the Council as an
appeals body not just for actions, but also for actions not taken.
Stuffing something into a report does not magically make it useful,
relevant, or less time consuming.
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