From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FFED13832E for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:32:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E592521C090; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:32:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E59321C082 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:32:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.100.0.6] (host-37-191-220-247.lynet.no [37.191.220.247]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: k_f) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2EB7C3406AD for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2016-08-14 References: <2e11e445-c25b-b7f2-def1-99aed92308b6@gentoo.org> <20160804162443.GA7048@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> <20160804231224.7b7462168f1d23e88fe4135c@gentoo.org> <20160804222234.GA8357@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org From: Kristian Fiskerstrand Message-ID: <9eacd79e-a2b4-f458-a2f1-825a6dfb46cd@gentoo.org> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 19:32:22 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="d9WWb8BOk7OV21xadLgwdPs3NC6jxp9bD" X-Archives-Salt: 220ab562-b4b3-4b84-b728-2fbbc059be87 X-Archives-Hash: 62059cd9068c00ea5429b66e12547c96 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --d9WWb8BOk7OV21xadLgwdPs3NC6jxp9bD Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="5jDRsXhnWjuihHWetIPL6igtul5tohmJu" From: Kristian Fiskerstrand Reply-To: k_f@gentoo.org To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <9eacd79e-a2b4-f458-a2f1-825a6dfb46cd@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2016-08-14 References: <2e11e445-c25b-b7f2-def1-99aed92308b6@gentoo.org> <20160804162443.GA7048@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> <20160804231224.7b7462168f1d23e88fe4135c@gentoo.org> <20160804222234.GA8357@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> In-Reply-To: --5jDRsXhnWjuihHWetIPL6igtul5tohmJu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 08/05/2016 01:25 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 6:22 PM, William Hubbs wro= te: >> > On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 11:12:24PM +0300, Andrew Savchenko wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Thank you for caring about this issue. I had similar thoughts >>> >> myself, but was too slow on writing e-mail :) IMO stable tree has >>> >> three problems: >>> >> 1) too old packages >>> >> 2) too few packages >>> >> 3) stabilization often takes too long, such stable packages are >>> >> broken or buggy, while their unstable versions are fixed and work >>> >> fine. (It is not possible to fix all bugs without version or >>> >> revision bump, thus stabilization is needed to fix many bugs.) >> > >> > "too few packages" doesn't really affect things much, I'm more >> > concerned about 1 and 3. If packages are not stable in the first pl= ace, >> > that is because the maintainer hasn't requested stabilization, and = that >> > is a separate issue. > I'm less concerned with old (within reason) and few. I think the > primary criteria has to always be that the packages are reliable. If > somebody wants to make the tradeoff less reliability and fresher > packages they can just install testing. >=20 +1 --=20 Kristian Fiskerstrand OpenPGP certificate reachable at hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net fpr:94CB AFDD 3034 5109 5618 35AA 0B7F 8B60 E3ED FAE3 --5jDRsXhnWjuihHWetIPL6igtul5tohmJu-- --d9WWb8BOk7OV21xadLgwdPs3NC6jxp9bD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJXpM2mAAoJECULev7WN52FHBsH/jStuaFaYiQ5jm6CbFAIQbVe eyXcCYH74TMY+Ph0xlw16jEwDFZO9rS2ZlkdrPMiXXQijnuRasOg5kOclcDe5V36 m8dJCnWrr3E7b7CFti0SrbWKdD54Wqfw5MtXToiCna/gIMbuRPPA2wS92/ePH3hb 5erojE++smaZLzgUAr2J81sdMGGdtRrR5u+/1kLBEy1WHae110NQt/ZjYl9XdiKR 4oVbJRFShv4vt54CvDCUO/bWi2kGgxj7G1qfCE75bK/2ojCQ+6m3GYsS+wwYTmid MXSMJ+VdIY7Fc1sqCIhyzBFyIeWrTMpEO8UMx54ETDgdi+Fxv39Ho1UJbZ3y5GI= =7RPL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --d9WWb8BOk7OV21xadLgwdPs3NC6jxp9bD--