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boundary="TO7qNzFbD1zF0yFjLk2GyuBNl3uVP3xsV"; protected-headers="v1" From: Michael Everitt To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <98e8d4bd-f368-c37b-7a1a-edbd9afe270e@iee.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Gentoo Foundation References: <20190626222814.1187BE08ED@pigeon.gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20190626222814.1187BE08ED@pigeon.gentoo.org> --TO7qNzFbD1zF0yFjLk2GyuBNl3uVP3xsV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------5B26EBF307C1599561D8140A" Content-Language: en-GB This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5B26EBF307C1599561D8140A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 26/06/19 23:28, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > In my specific case I've offered my expertise by answering accounting > specific questions as well as writing a proposal for a RFP for further > help. I do however get annoyed when some foundation members starting to= > interfere in matters outside ther scope. > Whilst this thread isn't a forum for personal attack, would you like to enumerate further? What subjects are on-topic for trustees, and how have members "interfered" in council business? Is this a matter of persons having an opinion, or persons advising on subjects outside of their personal expertise, or persons (who are already developers by statute) exercising their rights as such, in other areas of the distribution? How would you like to see this to ameliorated in the future? > -------- Original message -------- > From: Matthew Thode > Date: 6/27/19 00:13 (GMT+01:00) > To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: > Gentoo Foundation > > On 19-06-27 00:06:05, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > > On 6/27/19 12:03 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > > > On 6/26/19 11:54 PM, Matthew Thode wrote: > > >> On 19-06-26 21:45:48, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > > >>> On 6/25/19 1:23 AM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > > >>>> To the Council nominees, I put forward the following questions, = around > > >>>> the Gentoo Foundation: > > >>>> > > >>>> 1. What's your opinion of the past relationship between the Coun= cil & > > >>>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Foundation? > > >>> > > >>> The council has been critical of the way the foundation has been = run, > > >>> for good reasons. > > >>> > > >> > > >> Do you mind enumerating the reasons and the actions you wish to se= e > > >> taken? > > > > > > The foundation has failed to run an operation in accordance with th= e > > > laws and legislation of a foundation when it comes to, in particula= r, > > > accounting matters of a number of years, which is a disgrace. The > > > primary responsibility of the board of directors and its officers i= s to > > > ensure that the foundation comply with applicable laws and file the= > > > necessary paperwork for its operation for things including tax matt= ers. > > > > the other thing the foundation is responsible for is protecting > > copyright, in this case there isn't a significant issue, but it needs= to > > keep track of, and defend against, others using the Gentoo brand for > > various cases (since most of Gentoo Foundation IP is tied to the > > logo/brand) and no anything related to the actual code (that belongs = to > > other copyright owners) > > > > This one I think we have done well at, mainly sending C&D emails/letter= s > as needed (which it generally is not needed). > > Beyond the above two points, as a follow on question. > > 1. How would you work to improve the relationship with the foundation? > > --=20 > Matthew Thode (prometheanfire) --------------5B26EBF307C1599561D8140A Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 26/06/19 23:28, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
In my specific case I've offered my expertise by answering accounting specific questions as well as writing a proposal for a RFP for further help. I do however get annoyed when some foundation members starting to interfere in matters outside ther scope.

Whilst this thread isn't a forum for personal attack, would you like to enumerate further? What subjects are on-topic for trustees, and how have members "interfered" in council business? Is this a matter of persons having an opinion, or persons advising on subjects outside of their personal expertise, or persons (who are already developers by statute) exercising their rights as such, in other areas of the distribution?
How would you like to see this to ameliorated in the future?