From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7850E139085 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2017 22:10:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 65C4BE0D55; Thu, 5 Jan 2017 22:10:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (mail.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2706BE0D05; Thu, 5 Jan 2017 22:10:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:e1cc:3::10] (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:e1cc:3::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: prometheanfire) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BF8CC3412CB; Thu, 5 Jan 2017 22:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: [gentoo-project] Merging Trustees and Council / Developers and Foundation References: <57d3af79-4212-b8b9-40df-6120b1445c8b@gentoo.org> <86c3ab55-f662-5255-5222-2d3ae4fa1676@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org, gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org From: Matthew Thode Message-ID: <9572e77a-4b87-7fa6-b0e3-8ff06709454c@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 16:10:26 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <86c3ab55-f662-5255-5222-2d3ae4fa1676@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MeIM3LII90xXWcoOP9cwO6VhwnAiuvVw3" X-Archives-Salt: df15f88e-c255-4352-a381-0e7161c001e7 X-Archives-Hash: 6fa10339639307ab16e84e45b2ed16e7 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --MeIM3LII90xXWcoOP9cwO6VhwnAiuvVw3 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PE8rf5qetvkbohf0TWgSDjAe8kgb7CUqD" From: Matthew Thode Reply-To: prometheanfire@gentoo.org To: gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org, gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <9572e77a-4b87-7fa6-b0e3-8ff06709454c@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: [gentoo-project] Merging Trustees and Council / Developers and Foundation References: <57d3af79-4212-b8b9-40df-6120b1445c8b@gentoo.org> <86c3ab55-f662-5255-5222-2d3ae4fa1676@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <86c3ab55-f662-5255-5222-2d3ae4fa1676@gentoo.org> --PE8rf5qetvkbohf0TWgSDjAe8kgb7CUqD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 01/05/2017 03:57 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > On 01/05/2017 10:36 PM, Matthew Thode wrote: >> When the Foundation and subsequently the council were set up, both >> bodies had common members despite their declared different purposes. >> Over the years the common members have vanished. Indeed, since 2008, >> the Foundation bylaws have forbidden a single individual to serve on >> council and as a trustee concurrently. >> Thus the split in responsibilities identified when the foundation was >> created has become more absolute. >=20 > I've always believed Unix philosophy states that modularization is good= ? >=20 I'm not saying we can't be modular, in fact I'd prefer that. What I'm advocating is switching from Gentoo having two alternate heads to having one, with subcommittees (or whatever you want to call them) for each set purpose. >> >> This split is suboptimal for Gentoo (all of it). There is a reason wh= y >> normal corporations are structured the way they are and Gentoo has not= >> been like that since 2004. >> This proposal sets out a plan to revert to the normal corporate >> structure that Gentoo enjoyed before the Foundation and Council were >> created. >=20 > Can you elaborate a bit more on why it is suboptimal? I see the text > below, but is it really sufficient description for a major change? >=20 >=20 Suboptimal for having different voting pools meaning possibly conflicting goals. There's also the denial of the technical side of Gentoo still being under the legal side, even if we don't wish this to be the case. Keeping Gentoo self-aligned and self-consistent is the goal= =2E --=20 Matthew Thode (prometheanfire) --PE8rf5qetvkbohf0TWgSDjAe8kgb7CUqD-- --MeIM3LII90xXWcoOP9cwO6VhwnAiuvVw3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJYbsRTAAoJEGSje+quGaToh+QP/An51l9k0LJp7ITq5LRH/6xI 7lo3x2/CA7XdFyiPpb+YfEz3fN8GqWgzgwB3MSJgc5JxYEZG2NpCe/u5j0FLzvxy V5pa+WnUF4fjBva3rkJwyhnAUvDb6N1toJMn90kcEZNXP83OpuVJf9Y+rd7+QZRV 9J+WkAaATV8duirrpQL5xK8rFcIkqFFHyXdybtgeBB1onm+oo7MpFmnZ+D20w2kq w0gnotKUDPAUaX9LaoE+Jx721p+vWC0fuZB2s8lRGuYFQQJrxyabtZ5jbnZ1mED0 Tg27RylicQY1XJMjLHtSEonJviuEXPfpHgp9lHBdJ3mm3W7+YOjlbycZgq1RhPd4 mzBclPuvRE+bqJ3cx6ixMlZRizJS751N7+dqTX+eTPbLzw3rHTKCXC3QBD6JCGO0 /5WVg5c5iaByrLih//HvnRjQ/xv6KmQac/qzzykWUdpFl5EsMlBLMHsfxukLkN2Q Lmff+p43cTRBYLbmP0hb1AuO1TauoeLMYi7Wb2jzyy77rG1mvfsuwAf26iU6lHQw KpM6q4tbJUXJkhE25o9YVqmmTbIFgHnr9/x1wf83I9sLff3Env3igHXP28G1f4kh m2kV/Vz7Ph4MKskPhgk9nzasDDbHFyOdDGl+5NhdlQGDFCitSCoZHX6qSPLQDVWP v9zslgKg8VXPvWU9a1v/ =BrDx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MeIM3LII90xXWcoOP9cwO6VhwnAiuvVw3--