From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15D2B1382C5 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 12:54:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E1422E0993; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 12:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (dev.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA7E0E0990 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 12:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <91e2e2fd763f37c56e3729949588b037fb3d7b00.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Triumvirate in Gentoo From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 14:54:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20200604124140.GA25629@cloudsdale.the-delta.net.eu.org> References: <31f6f5b574e0818a8fca3549e696ea18793c22ab.camel@gentoo.org> <20200604124140.GA25629@cloudsdale.the-delta.net.eu.org> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-nJjCUOaPbSC8MbgKFtUi" User-Agent: Evolution 3.36.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: 23ad4b04-eab6-47de-9f61-c6d82c3df7ab X-Archives-Hash: ce9f9f79cb80860b91a5fccdf3655cb1 --=-nJjCUOaPbSC8MbgKFtUi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2020-06-04 at 14:41 +0200, Haelwenn (lanodan) Monnier wrote: > [2020-06-04 09:15:37+0200] Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny: > > All that said, I'd propose to meet in the middle -- following > > the ancient tradition, establish a triumvirate in Gentoo. It would be: > >=20 > > 1. Technical lead -- a person with exceptional technical talents that > > would build the vision of Gentoo from technical perspective, i.e. make > > a distribution that people would love using. Initially, this role coul= d > > be taken by the QA lead. > >=20 > > 2. Social lead -- a person with exceptional social skills that would > > build the vision of Gentoo from community perspective, i.e. make > > a distribution that people would love contributing to. Initially, this > > role would taken by the ComRel lead. > >=20 > > 3. Organization lead -- a person with (exceptional) business skills tha= t > > would take care of all the financial and organizational aspects of > > Gentoo, i.e. make a distribution that sustains. Initially, this role > > would be taken by the Foundation president. > >=20 > > Three seems to be a very good number -- on one hand, it's more than one= , > > so the others can stop any single one from getting absolute power. > > On the other, it's small enough for them to be able to actively work > > together and directly establish a common set of goals (i.e. via > > an agreement rather than a majority vote). > >=20 > >=20 > > WDYT? >=20 > Sounds quite interesting, would they also have elections like other=20 > bodies in gentoo? > This way we do not end up with three dictators / immortals. Some kind of elections, yes. Not sure how yet, and I'd rather discuss that separately later in order not to diverge too much from the idea itself. > And I think there should maybe be two per lead, it's still very easy=20 > to reach consensus at 6 but it avoids getting to single-handed decisions, > specially when something only actually concerns one viewpoint/skill. The whole point is that we want 'single-handed decisions'. Of course, that doesn't mean arbitrary decisions. There could be a whole lot of advisors that influence the final decisions but there should be just one person combining them into something consistent. I don't think there really are any decisions concerning one triumvir here. Surely, they have their distinct areas but every decision affects the others as well to some degree. Even if this means saying 'I do not mind this'. --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --=-nJjCUOaPbSC8MbgKFtUi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGTBAABCgB9FiEEx2qEUJQJjSjMiybFY5ra4jKeJA4FAl7Y7vVfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEM3 NkE4NDUwOTQwOThEMjhDQzhCMjZDNTYzOUFEQUUyMzI5RTI0MEUACgkQY5ra4jKe JA6MBgf/YH+PtTpIqm/oIq0mZH1WREC3CND4MGyGoVbE8CbdWzrpm9OBIuKlabtK lnB+mRjGd1ZBA+fI8ro7B9KOfUVlBqoMdDTjhdTIeKVwQE2+vuQfsH+ESIS5pmt1 KDUJOPAy1ZPs/MKjq20MqVkJCcRInNyRomCSU8AQ2fZkc18JG3me8dT/S+MTRBQZ JPVoZSzhLgEFC2fZJJvj4zeY+NA5t342w+YV8PxasgoffIJ11hDKmCbQZNt8++JW uwvee3jgiHLpbOmpFHVISAtZeI17lvUngC3cujHOpJfhF8hqkQIoCDPbUl88k7X7 ZNtkX6a/zo547VdOetdzJsJcFS3F9g== =Z52C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-nJjCUOaPbSC8MbgKFtUi--