From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4DE0138334 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2019 04:48:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C7668E0821; Sun, 30 Jun 2019 04:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96CE2E07F1 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2019 04:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.16.0.17] (cpe-72-227-68-175.maine.res.rr.com [72.227.68.175]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: desultory) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9E352346911 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2019 04:48:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: GLEP 76 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <20190615124220.fcf0c08b22481d5bc6c2dbe0@gentoo.org> <20190615124933.b2f20fde0b47509e6b54f989@gentoo.org> <20190625011818.73fb7c1948a0a3d124a0d9db@gentoo.org> <20190628144924.334336020d7a31deed0b6749@gentoo.org> From: desultory Message-ID: <8e865f8b-5f6c-e555-ed53-7186898df6f5@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 00:48:18 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 6a5b4c3b-4194-42ca-bbd9-0c708b05bf69 X-Archives-Hash: 097b48b46e115d294d19b8067c745887 On 06/28/19 08:09, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 7:49 AM Andrew Savchenko wrote: >> >> I never stated that the trustees will know better, I stated that >> their knowledge of what we assume to be real names will be >> sufficient and there is no need for all developers to know them. >> This is because the trustees are responsible for legal issues of >> Gentoo. >> >> With such approach we lose nothing, but gain something valuable: we >> may and will accept more people and more contributions. > > IMO you lose a professional atmosphere. I think there is a difference > in atmosphere when you have Andrew and Rich and Michał having a > discussion, versus codebozo and leetcoder and trollmaster. (Just > making up random handles - no correspondence implied.) > What you describe as, in effect, a dehumamizing interface, others perceive as a way to keep minimize their social exposure. Where you find some ill-defined negative, others find a distinct positive. Is Gentoo really in a position where it can turn away demonstrably skilled contributors based solely on their wanting to minimize personal exposure? > I mean, which would you prefer to have on your linkedin network? > Maybe, just maybe, people who have no interest in publishing their involvement with a project have no interest in publishing their involvement with a project's members. Which leads me to the radical leap of logic that they probably wouldn't be making such associations known on a social networking site, and if they would at some point want to do so, they would likely make their involvement itself public. > Many FOSS projects require the use of real names, including Linux. > "Other people do it" is not exactly a great logical argument, given that precisely the same argument could be used to justify doing literally anything that anyone else has done.