From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-project+bounces-392-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1JxmDn-0007Pr-3U for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 18 May 2008 16:58:55 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 734A8E0582; Sun, 18 May 2008 16:58:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.191]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A601E0582 for <gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org>; Sun, 18 May 2008 16:58:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u5so813330tia.10 for <gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org>; Sun, 18 May 2008 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Azi5Cmylmp9U5iaEbjxQXzc3ytk7DwcZsjCkJp+bdYw=; b=XxG+k6idm81qrC1xtIpGvcRN4bBQzKJ+hw0GLW8g+j1MfsayjmFB0lPCUGAUgbUFZ5bTnQcvpqP7xnpSpBagNWQKLMv0/h47BhRQtA5+jWgG3HtvF3D9b9rlPfgQWic7+xh/8EQMhGhMte6gpfFkyEnbUqaT+6qV7hWqL9ZIF3w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aQPOiKTKce3UjKRBnuv2BCnP/9UWkiNVf7p0xGLdDyDFjeKxeuUpbx/T65bg4hzsQjBWifRlZIX9r5l0gIrHbN2ZRvyVH4OMKDbXM1OZaIoCzyxAxqJYzsk+mlXdYL+ci6S3GDiOn/aXEc7V3//D0P2ovCoJQ05tHSXhGP+7FIc= Received: by 10.110.3.8 with SMTP id 8mr783915tic.11.1211129931239; Sun, 18 May 2008 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.110.41.4 with HTTP; Sun, 18 May 2008 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8b4c83ad0805180958yde36fw2e7108db1389d10a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 22:28:51 +0530 From: "Nirbheek Chauhan" <nirbheek.chauhan@gmail.com> To: "Ciaran McCreesh" <ciaran.mccreesh@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] Special meeting [WAS: Council meeting summary for 8 May 2008] Cc: "Richard Freeman" <rich0@gentoo.org>, gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20080518171851.51f7df3d@snowcone> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-project+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-project+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-project+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list <gentoo-project.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080508233328.GA8896@comet> <20080516213454.538ce4e8@anaconda.krait.us> <7c612fc60805161611w48d9e134m7437c4a29f33d79a@mail.gmail.com> <20080517001849.4802ceec@googlemail.com> <20080518105649.GC17371@basestar> <20080518160110.60840c3e@snowcone> <1211124360.5569.17.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com> <20080518163144.312ed2d9@googlemail.com> <483055B9.4080107@gentoo.org> <20080518171851.51f7df3d@snowcone> X-Archives-Salt: ef7970b3-5327-4be1-94c0-2d8f0d1be53c X-Archives-Hash: bf0e6cbccb5e608dc5dd86ea2f0adf7f On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Sun, 18 May 2008 12:13:45 -0400 > Richard Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote: >> If the council decided to start holding meetings in private, denied >> any forum for dissent, began booting people merely for disagreeing, >> and began taking the distro in a direction most devs don't like then >> I'd be all for having a gentoo insurrection. > > Oh, I do hope that was said with irony. Funnily enough, the Council > holding meetings in private (ask them about their secret channel on > oftc and their meetings with musikc), I remember people getting confused and talking about how the council wants to "Moving all gentoo channels to oftc" however, that was clarified. "having a secret channel for meetings on oftc" seems to be similar in confusion. Allow me to clarify this as well: Your statement mixes two meanings of the word "meeting" which causes confusion: a) Council meetings b) A (random?) group of people The former needs to be announced, and happen in public. The latter can happen anywhere. Surely we can't say gentoo council members are holding a "meeting" if they happen to meet at a FOSS conference somewhere? ;) Besides, as I understand it: 1) The channel was a public channel on oftc where (some of?) the gentoo council members idled because one of the council members could not come onto FreeNode due to personal reasons. 2) Council Meetings were held on #gentoo-council @ FreeNode, with a proxy for said council member who could not connect to FreeNode. 3) Then the issue of "meetings with musikc" -- my vote goes for *not* counting /query as a "meeting" ;) > denying dissent and booting people > arbitrarily is exactly what lead to them holding the second meeting > that started this discussion. I thought the reason for the meeting was an appeal for retirement done by devrel? Sort of like going to a higher court for an appeal? -- ~Nirbheek Chauhan -- gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org mailing list