From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D087E139085 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2017 12:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CE1AD234015; Wed, 11 Jan 2017 12:24:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from tsukuyomi.43-1.org (tsukuyomi.43-1.org [IPv6:2a01:4f8:173:743::1:50]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A97E234014 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2017 12:24:13 +0000 (UTC) From: Matthias Maier To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Merging Trustees and Council / Developers and Foundation - 1.0 reply In-Reply-To: <1d601c44-e136-382d-54f4-27d3437dfcc5@gentoo.org> (Matthew Thode's message of "Wed, 11 Jan 2017 04:59:49 -0600") References: <35d4687b-4cbd-cf79-254c-c7476c06bb3a@gentoo.org> <22645.58328.521107.564927@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <1d601c44-e136-382d-54f4-27d3437dfcc5@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 06:24:06 -0600 Message-ID: <87r349iy3d.fsf@kestrel.kyomu.43-1.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: da2b387e-a880-4773-83b9-d8307b9b057d X-Archives-Hash: ac5e8bd91f8060c14d6ef3a17e768e2b --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Matthew, On Wed, Jan 11, 2017, at 04:59 CST, Matthew Thode wrote: [...] > I think I'm leaning towards > the 'board' being what is currently trustees + hr(comrel) + pr + infra. > Under that would go what is currently being done by council. I am a bit astonished by the sudden proposal to centralize more power under the Gentoo Foundation, A US based non-profit. As was laid out by ulm and dilfridge, there are a number of severe legal uncertainties for non-US citizens participating in such a construct and frankly speaking I do not see the need for it. On the contrary. - It is my firm believe that it is *vital* for an open source project that essentially consists of volunteers from around the world to be organized as a community and not as a legal entity under some jurisdiction. Therefore the status quo makes a lot of sense: - the developer community organizing itself - the Foundation taking care of legal matters (finances and infrastructure) that need a legal entity in some jurisdiction The vital bit is the fact that the developer community is self-organizing and this includes the power to decide who is a member and who is not. - Now, all you essentially propose is to shift the "hr(comrel)" part to the Foundation - all the rest (trustees, pr, and infra) it is already in charge of. So, why is it important to give the Foundation the power to decide over the "hr" part of the Gentoo developer community?=20 If it is just about comrel, well, we can easily reorganize comrel into an elected body (by the Gentoo developer community) similarly to the council. I do not see any necessity for the Foundation to be involved in the self organization of the developer community. On the contrary, there is the danger that a strengthened Foundation will severely undermine the authority of our developer community procedures, with - trustees being able to overrule the council on technical and community decisions - trustees being able to overrule our (developer) recruiting process So, as a trustee (and the one proposing this move), why do you want to have this power presiding over the developer community? Best, Matthias --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJYdiPmAAoJELhOzYlK7nn/r9sQAOYMnYuW+wSj+zg9BpkgR6Un cQmNonWUPTxtjXBDzTWWvIx+ulyFoPfnJw/ElS+plx7Nw7zQIjJHNx1tgr3ZuW6q 05FyWji0itpRsStItvih78nc7FZp6T/BafznA3laHjfaaV1GnAnvJz6bpxSOh5nS 128zg16aKPFhPJlmu/QET78p0s8oycHbSMiEOvMVCaORCYNc60I59jZkYgdbj4RC vLJJfSSVlN+IlmaKAhmqju55dRJ22X4s26ywVnO4us+tI+O05nDdGnF8tsfIkb9r r3Mc72/YnLOKNG7qzUItnmF2owTjzvzpPWmxq9G3yNTZCinLvxi4WzoaiuQgkdSb WputvFXtViA2393pVrgDIlo8JvYPsM+UG9HZT7ZKxK/3iWhTdbfR7QW1yAEmHk5E XAFJBarYSxFriE8lz2t6brprzZipB79Au8xNA6uxzHobPyBAXCzUFAX1XyQlYi0k Cdb1NbUrtUMiGPox77WnhpVT2jQuxfOF14p5Q63X/rikR1lcX7hVwbvAE++qm3Py YtLNDCl9vBxPymhQCmhAvnwZgMO9IYWlDeSve/Y4muTd26J2Q8wzlh13wHdLNF7C KV3H+1fC3+mRghdrA5JX6veavDwKwVHQRbChJeGqDCAv4ifHY7Ful3IyAZ06Xa0x MMBBaJEqfhPpxvIFtd45 =HHiA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--