[gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Michał Górny]

Hi, everyone.

I think it would be really great if we could publish a summary of
(good) things that happened in Gentoo in 2020.  We weren't able to
maintain Gentoo Weekly Newsletter, nor Monthly.  However, we might be
able to manage at least a yearly Newsletter ;-).

I know I'm going to regret this but I volunteer to take care of
combining and publishing the data.  Nevertheless, I'd really appreciate
if you could reply to this mail with ideas of what you think would be
worth listing.  I'd also use a native English speaker for editorial
help.


Please reply with your ideas in the form of:

[sort-key] **A short sentence summarizing the change.**  1-3 sentences
of detailed explanation.

I think we'll publish this on the website, so please use Markdown
and possibly link to the relevant projects.  The idea is that the users
can skim through the changes in bold, and decide whether they want to
read on.


Example:

  [dist-kernel] **The [Distribution Kernel](https://...) project was
launched to install kernels directly from ebuilds.**  To lower
the entry barrier and maintenance effort, the project also provides
a stock configuration for popular architectures based on Fedora.


I think we'll then split it into a few groups.  I'm thinking of:

1. New developers (yay!).
2. Major changes (focused on things impacting end users).
3. Other changes.


WDYT?

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny

Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Joonas Niilola]

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Hi,

I think this is a nice idea. I'll have to return to this as right now I
can't prioritize everything truly global and exciting that happened...
maybe something with Mozilla products and overall wayland becoming more
popular.

But one important thing I did notice is that during 2020 ::gentoo
repository received more commits than ever before during git-era. And by
a huge margin. I'd mention something related to that, looks like
dev/user activity was at its peak last year.

Any project leaders/members could come up with something. Well I'll
return with markdowns added.

-- juippis

On 1/3/21 10:35 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
> Hi, everyone.
>
> I think it would be really great if we could publish a summary of
> (good) things that happened in Gentoo in 2020.  We weren't able to
> maintain Gentoo Weekly Newsletter, nor Monthly.  However, we might be
> able to manage at least a yearly Newsletter ;-).
>
> I know I'm going to regret this but I volunteer to take care of
> combining and publishing the data.  Nevertheless, I'd really appreciate
> if you could reply to this mail with ideas of what you think would be
> worth listing.  I'd also use a native English speaker for editorial
> help.
>
>
> Please reply with your ideas in the form of:
>
> [sort-key] **A short sentence summarizing the change.**  1-3 sentences
> of detailed explanation.
>
> I think we'll publish this on the website, so please use Markdown
> and possibly link to the relevant projects.  The idea is that the users
> can skim through the changes in bold, and decide whether they want to
> read on.
>
>
> Example:
>
>   [dist-kernel] **The [Distribution Kernel](https://...) project was
> launched to install kernels directly from ebuilds.**  To lower
> the entry barrier and maintenance effort, the project also provides
> a stock configuration for popular architectures based on Fedora.
>
>
> I think we'll then split it into a few groups.  I'm thinking of:
>
> 1. New developers (yay!).
> 2. Major changes (focused on things impacting end users).
> 3. Other changes.
>
>
> WDYT?
>



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Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Michał Górny]

On Sun, 2021-01-03 at 11:14 +0200, Joonas Niilola wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I think this is a nice idea. I'll have to return to this as right now I
> can't prioritize everything truly global and exciting that happened...
> maybe something with Mozilla products and overall wayland becoming more
> popular.
> 
> But one important thing I did notice is that during 2020 ::gentoo
> repository received more commits than ever before during git-era. And by
> a huge margin. I'd mention something related to that, looks like
> dev/user activity was at its peak last year.

I suppose we could give some numbers/plots.

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny

Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Marek Szuba]

On January 3, 2021 8:35:50 AM UTC, "Michał Górny" <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:

>I think it would be really great if we could publish a summary of
>(good) things that happened in Gentoo in 2020.
[...]
>WDYT?

Good idea! At the risk of being accused of blowing my own trumpet, I would like to begin with:

[slotted-lua] **Made it possible to bind packages depending on Lua to specific versions of this language**

Thanks to the new eclasses "lua" and "lua-single", it is now possible to not only have multiple Implementations of Lua installed side by side but to bind their reverse dependencies to specific versions. With almost all Lua reverse dependencies having been migrated to these eclasses by Christmas Eve they have already been released to ~arch users, with stabilisation expected to take place by the end of 1Q 2021.


(editorial improvements welcome)

-- 
Marecki

Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Aaron Bauman]

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On Sun, Jan 03, 2021 at 11:14:50AM +0200, Joonas Niilola wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I think this is a nice idea. I'll have to return to this as right now I
> can't prioritize everything truly global and exciting that happened...
> maybe something with Mozilla products and overall wayland becoming more
> popular.
> 
> But one important thing I did notice is that during 2020 ::gentoo
> repository received more commits than ever before during git-era. And by
> a huge margin. I'd mention something related to that, looks like
> dev/user activity was at its peak last year.
> 
> Any project leaders/members could come up with something. Well I'll
> return with markdowns added.
> 
> -- juippis
> 
> On 1/3/21 10:35 AM, Michał Górny wrote:

[wayland] **New categories introduced to support Wayland**

Due to the growth of Wayland implementations, new package categories
gui-{apps,libs,wm} were introduced.


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Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Aisha Tammy]

On 1/3/21 12:08 PM, Aaron Bauman wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 03, 2021 at 11:14:50AM +0200, Joonas Niilola wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think this is a nice idea. I'll have to return to this as right now I
>> can't prioritize everything truly global and exciting that happened...
>> maybe something with Mozilla products and overall wayland becoming more
>> popular.
>>
>> But one important thing I did notice is that during 2020 ::gentoo
>> repository received more commits than ever before during git-era. And by
>> a huge margin. I'd mention something related to that, looks like
>> dev/user activity was at its peak last year.
>>
>> Any project leaders/members could come up with something. Well I'll
>> return with markdowns added.
>>
>> -- juippis
>>
>> On 1/3/21 10:35 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
> 
> [wayland] **New categories introduced to support Wayland**
> 
> Due to the growth of Wayland implementations, new package categories
> gui-{apps,libs,wm} were introduced.
> 

To add to this, we now support having a completely X-server free
desktop, which is usable upto a really large extent without x-wayland.
I am almost positve we are the only ones who support this right now.

Thanks a lot for the help from bman :)

Cheers and happy new years!
Aisha

Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Aisha Tammy]

On 1/3/21 3:35 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
> Hi, everyone.
> 
> I think it would be really great if we could publish a summary of
> (good) things that happened in Gentoo in 2020.  We weren't able to
> maintain Gentoo Weekly Newsletter, nor Monthly.  However, we might be
> able to manage at least a yearly Newsletter ;-).
> 
> I know I'm going to regret this but I volunteer to take care of
> combining and publishing the data.  Nevertheless, I'd really appreciate
> if you could reply to this mail with ideas of what you think would be
> worth listing.  I'd also use a native English speaker for editorial
> help.
> 
> 
> Please reply with your ideas in the form of:
> 
> [sort-key] **A short sentence summarizing the change.**  1-3 sentences
> of detailed explanation.
> 
> I think we'll publish this on the website, so please use Markdown
> and possibly link to the relevant projects.  The idea is that the users
> can skim through the changes in bold, and decide whether they want to
> read on.
> 
> 
> Example:
> 
>   [dist-kernel] **The [Distribution Kernel](https://...) project was
> launched to install kernels directly from ebuilds.**  To lower
> the entry barrier and maintenance effort, the project also provides
> a stock configuration for popular architectures based on Fedora.
> 
> 
> I think we'll then split it into a few groups.  I'm thinking of:
> 
> 1. New developers (yay!).
> 2. Major changes (focused on things impacting end users).
> 3. Other changes.
> 
> 
> WDYT?
> 

Getting the science overlay into a much better and almost usable
state. There are now enthusiastic people who are starting 
to contribute to the overlay and adding a lot of fixes.
So I'd say, getting a new life for the science project is also
something nice that has happened :D

Special thanks to chymera and andrew for being super enthusiastic 
in fixing the overlay :D 

Cheers,
Aisha

Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Alec Warner]

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 12:35 AM Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> Hi, everyone.
>
> I think it would be really great if we could publish a summary of
> (good) things that happened in Gentoo in 2020.  We weren't able to
> maintain Gentoo Weekly Newsletter, nor Monthly.  However, we might be
> able to manage at least a yearly Newsletter ;-).
>
> I know I'm going to regret this but I volunteer to take care of
> combining and publishing the data.  Nevertheless, I'd really appreciate
> if you could reply to this mail with ideas of what you think would be
> worth listing.  I'd also use a native English speaker for editorial
> help.
>
>
> Please reply with your ideas in the form of:
>
> [sort-key] **A short sentence summarizing the change.**  1-3 sentences
> of detailed explanation.


[infra] Bugzilla DB migration, performance improvements.
We migrated bugzilla to a newer database cluster (mysql galera) and
ported bugzilla from CGI to mod_perl, resulting in a large performance
improvement (sometimes as much as 800ms faster per request.)

[infra] CFEngine migration 90% complete.
Infra remains on an older version of cfengine. We have deleted about
5000 lines of config with 2 major services to migrate off of. We began
using cfengine in 2002; and started using puppet in 2010. In 2021 we
will
be free of cfengine.

[infra] Capacity shuffle.
We turned down 3 machines this year (grebe, grouse, brambling) and
have at least 5 machines to replace in 2021 (gannet, godwit, nightjar,
nightheron, noddie) Most infra machines are around 10 years old. We
onboarded some new machines as well (pardalote, petrel, vanga) and
have additional machines coming online in 2021. In 2020 we renewed our
OSS credits with Amazon Web Services and we signed a contract with
Fastly to provide OSS credits that we are using for CDN services to
make our offerings faster for our users.

-A

>
> I think we'll publish this on the website, so please use Markdown
> and possibly link to the relevant projects.  The idea is that the users
> can skim through the changes in bold, and decide whether they want to
> read on.
>
>
> Example:
>
>   [dist-kernel] **The [Distribution Kernel](https://...) project was
> launched to install kernels directly from ebuilds.**  To lower
> the entry barrier and maintenance effort, the project also provides
> a stock configuration for popular architectures based on Fedora.
>
>
> I think we'll then split it into a few groups.  I'm thinking of:
>
> 1. New developers (yay!).
> 2. Major changes (focused on things impacting end users).
> 3. Other changes.
>
>
> WDYT?
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Michał Górny
>
>
>

Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Michał Górny]

On Sun, 2021-01-03 at 14:44 -0500, Aisha Tammy wrote:
> On 1/3/21 12:08 PM, Aaron Bauman wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 03, 2021 at 11:14:50AM +0200, Joonas Niilola wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I think this is a nice idea. I'll have to return to this as right now I
> > > can't prioritize everything truly global and exciting that happened...
> > > maybe something with Mozilla products and overall wayland becoming more
> > > popular.
> > > 
> > > But one important thing I did notice is that during 2020 ::gentoo
> > > repository received more commits than ever before during git-era. And by
> > > a huge margin. I'd mention something related to that, looks like
> > > dev/user activity was at its peak last year.
> > > 
> > > Any project leaders/members could come up with something. Well I'll
> > > return with markdowns added.
> > > 
> > > -- juippis
> > > 
> > > On 1/3/21 10:35 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
> > 
> > [wayland] **New categories introduced to support Wayland**
> > 
> > Due to the growth of Wayland implementations, new package categories
> > gui-{apps,libs,wm} were introduced.
> > 
> 
> To add to this, we now support having a completely X-server free
> desktop, which is usable upto a really large extent without x-wayland.
> I am almost positve we are the only ones who support this right now.

Yeah, that's something really neat to mention.  Do you happen to have
some guide/info that we could point interested users to?

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny

Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Michał Górny]

On Sun, 2021-01-03 at 12:55 +0000, Marek Szuba wrote:
> 
> On January 3, 2021 8:35:50 AM UTC, "Michał Górny" <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
> > I think it would be really great if we could publish a summary of
> > (good) things that happened in Gentoo in 2020.
> [...]
> > WDYT?
> 
> Good idea! At the risk of being accused of blowing my own trumpet, I would like to begin with:
> 
> [slotted-lua] **Made it possible to bind packages depending on Lua to specific versions of this language**
> 
> Thanks to the new eclasses "lua" and "lua-single", it is now possible to not only have multiple Implementations of Lua installed side by side but to bind their reverse dependencies to specific versions. With almost all Lua reverse dependencies having been migrated to these eclasses by Christmas Eve they have already been released to ~arch users,
> 

Yes, that's certainly a great thing to mention.  I'll word it with less
technical details to keep the notes shorter, and also mention that this
enabled us to unmask new Lua versions.

> with stabilisation expected to take place by the end of 1Q 2021.

Do you really want to wait so long?  I thought the usual 30 days would
work for most of these packages.  In either case, I think we can skip
specific dates.

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny

Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Michał Górny]

On Sun, 2021-01-03 at 14:48 -0500, Aisha Tammy wrote:
> On 1/3/21 3:35 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
> > Hi, everyone.
> > 
> > I think it would be really great if we could publish a summary of
> > (good) things that happened in Gentoo in 2020.  We weren't able to
> > maintain Gentoo Weekly Newsletter, nor Monthly.  However, we might be
> > able to manage at least a yearly Newsletter ;-).
> > 
> > I know I'm going to regret this but I volunteer to take care of
> > combining and publishing the data.  Nevertheless, I'd really appreciate
> > if you could reply to this mail with ideas of what you think would be
> > worth listing.  I'd also use a native English speaker for editorial
> > help.
> > 
> > 
> > Please reply with your ideas in the form of:
> > 
> > [sort-key] **A short sentence summarizing the change.**  1-3 sentences
> > of detailed explanation.
> > 
> > I think we'll publish this on the website, so please use Markdown
> > and possibly link to the relevant projects.  The idea is that the users
> > can skim through the changes in bold, and decide whether they want to
> > read on.
> > 
> > 
> > Example:
> > 
> >   [dist-kernel] **The [Distribution Kernel](https://...) project was
> > launched to install kernels directly from ebuilds.**  To lower
> > the entry barrier and maintenance effort, the project also provides
> > a stock configuration for popular architectures based on Fedora.
> > 
> > 
> > I think we'll then split it into a few groups.  I'm thinking of:
> > 
> > 1. New developers (yay!).
> > 2. Major changes (focused on things impacting end users).
> > 3. Other changes.
> > 
> > 
> > WDYT?
> > 
> 
> Getting the science overlay into a much better and almost usable
> state. There are now enthusiastic people who are starting 
> to contribute to the overlay and adding a lot of fixes.
> So I'd say, getting a new life for the science project is also
> something nice that has happened :D
> 
> Special thanks to chymera and andrew for being super enthusiastic 
> in fixing the overlay :D 

I do appreciate it but I'm not sure if this is something specific
enough to be mentioned in 'major changes'.  I'll see how other things
go and we'll see then.  However, if you have something more specific
like 'we added these super useful packages' or stuff like that, I think
it would be more interesting PR-wise.

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny

Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Michał Górny]

On Sun, 2021-01-03 at 12:10 -0800, Alec Warner wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 12:35 AM Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, everyone.
> > 
> > I think it would be really great if we could publish a summary of
> > (good) things that happened in Gentoo in 2020.  We weren't able to
> > maintain Gentoo Weekly Newsletter, nor Monthly.  However, we might be
> > able to manage at least a yearly Newsletter ;-).
> > 
> > I know I'm going to regret this but I volunteer to take care of
> > combining and publishing the data.  Nevertheless, I'd really appreciate
> > if you could reply to this mail with ideas of what you think would be
> > worth listing.  I'd also use a native English speaker for editorial
> > help.
> > 
> > 
> > Please reply with your ideas in the form of:
> > 
> > [sort-key] **A short sentence summarizing the change.**  1-3 sentences
> > of detailed explanation.
> 
> 
> [infra] Bugzilla DB migration, performance improvements.
> We migrated bugzilla to a newer database cluster (mysql galera) and
> ported bugzilla from CGI to mod_perl, resulting in a large performance
> improvement (sometimes as much as 800ms faster per request.)

I think faster Bugzilla actually counts towards a major change ;-).

> 
> [infra] CFEngine migration 90% complete.
> Infra remains on an older version of cfengine. We have deleted about
> 5000 lines of config with 2 major services to migrate off of. We began
> using cfengine in 2002; and started using puppet in 2010. In 2021 we
> will
> be free of cfengine.
> 
> [infra] Capacity shuffle.
> We turned down 3 machines this year (grebe, grouse, brambling) and
> have at least 5 machines to replace in 2021 (gannet, godwit, nightjar,
> nightheron, noddie) Most infra machines are around 10 years old. We
> onboarded some new machines as well (pardalote, petrel, vanga) and
> have additional machines coming online in 2021. In 2020 we renewed our
> OSS credits with Amazon Web Services and we signed a contract with
> Fastly to provide OSS credits that we are using for CDN services to
> make our offerings faster for our users.
> 

I think these two would probably be better in 'other changes'.
I suppose CDN might also mean improved performance but I don't think we
have had noticeably bad performance before.

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny

Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Marek Szuba]

On January 3, 2021 8:21:54 PM UTC, "Michał Górny" <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:

>Yes, that's certainly a great thing to mention.  I'll word it with less
>technical details to keep the notes shorter, and also mention that this
>enabled us to unmask new Lua versions.

Sounds good, go ahead.

>Do you really want to wait so long?  I thought the usual 30 days would
>work for most of these packages.  

I fully intend to start getting the stablereq ready as soon as the 30-day mark has passed, that said I fully expect unrelated bugs to have popped up and I would very much prefer to get as many of them as reasonably achievable taken care of before (and same as unmasking, we must have a reasonably high fraction of packages ready to stabilise at the same time so that the users aren't hit by too many dependency conflicts).

-- 
MS

Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Aaron Bauman]

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On Sun, Jan 03, 2021 at 12:08:15PM -0500, Aaron Bauman wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 03, 2021 at 11:14:50AM +0200, Joonas Niilola wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I think this is a nice idea. I'll have to return to this as right now I
> > can't prioritize everything truly global and exciting that happened...
> > maybe something with Mozilla products and overall wayland becoming more
> > popular.
> > 
> > But one important thing I did notice is that during 2020 ::gentoo
> > repository received more commits than ever before during git-era. And by
> > a huge margin. I'd mention something related to that, looks like
> > dev/user activity was at its peak last year.
> > 
> > Any project leaders/members could come up with something. Well I'll
> > return with markdowns added.
> > 
> > -- juippis
> > 
> > On 1/3/21 10:35 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
> 
> [wayland] **New categories introduced to support Wayland**
> 
> Due to the growth of Wayland implementations, new package categories
> gui-{apps,libs,wm} were introduced.
> 


Here is a better write-up:

[wayland] **Improved support**

Throughout 2020, Gentoo has steadily improved Wayland support across the
distribution. This has included major desktop environments such as KDE Plasma and
Gnome to lightweight implementations such as Sway and Wayfire. This progress
has led to a mature experience and the possibility of running a desktop free of
Xorg and x-wayland.

We look forward to continuing these improvements in 2021!

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Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Aaron Bauman]

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On Sun, Jan 03, 2021 at 05:05:17PM -0500, Aaron Bauman wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 03, 2021 at 12:08:15PM -0500, Aaron Bauman wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 03, 2021 at 11:14:50AM +0200, Joonas Niilola wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I think this is a nice idea. I'll have to return to this as right now I
> > > can't prioritize everything truly global and exciting that happened...
> > > maybe something with Mozilla products and overall wayland becoming more
> > > popular.
> > > 
> > > But one important thing I did notice is that during 2020 ::gentoo
> > > repository received more commits than ever before during git-era. And by
> > > a huge margin. I'd mention something related to that, looks like
> > > dev/user activity was at its peak last year.
> > > 
> > > Any project leaders/members could come up with something. Well I'll
> > > return with markdowns added.
> > > 
> > > -- juippis
> > > 
> > > On 1/3/21 10:35 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
> > 
> > [wayland] **New categories introduced to support Wayland**
> > 
> > Due to the growth of Wayland implementations, new package categories
> > gui-{apps,libs,wm} were introduced.
> > 
> 
> 
> Here is a better write-up:
> 
> [wayland] **Improved support**
> 
> Throughout 2020, Gentoo has steadily improved Wayland support across the
> distribution. This has included major desktop environments such as KDE Plasma and
> Gnome to lightweight implementations such as Sway and Wayfire. This progress
> has led to a mature experience and the possibility of running a desktop free of
> Xorg and x-wayland.
> 
> We look forward to continuing these improvements in 2021!

Drop "and x-wayland" at the end please.

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Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Aisha Tammy]

On 1/3/21 3:34 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Sun, 2021-01-03 at 14:48 -0500, Aisha Tammy wrote:
>> On 1/3/21 3:35 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
>>> Hi, everyone.
>>>
>>> I think it would be really great if we could publish a summary of
>>> (good) things that happened in Gentoo in 2020.  We weren't able to
>>> maintain Gentoo Weekly Newsletter, nor Monthly.  However, we might be
>>> able to manage at least a yearly Newsletter ;-).
>>>
>>> I know I'm going to regret this but I volunteer to take care of
>>> combining and publishing the data.  Nevertheless, I'd really appreciate
>>> if you could reply to this mail with ideas of what you think would be
>>> worth listing.  I'd also use a native English speaker for editorial
>>> help.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please reply with your ideas in the form of:
>>>
>>> [sort-key] **A short sentence summarizing the change.**  1-3 sentences
>>> of detailed explanation.
>>>
>>> I think we'll publish this on the website, so please use Markdown
>>> and possibly link to the relevant projects.  The idea is that the users
>>> can skim through the changes in bold, and decide whether they want to
>>> read on.
>>>
>>>
>>> Example:
>>>
>>>   [dist-kernel] **The [Distribution Kernel](https://...) project was
>>> launched to install kernels directly from ebuilds.**  To lower
>>> the entry barrier and maintenance effort, the project also provides
>>> a stock configuration for popular architectures based on Fedora.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think we'll then split it into a few groups.  I'm thinking of:
>>>
>>> 1. New developers (yay!).
>>> 2. Major changes (focused on things impacting end users).
>>> 3. Other changes.
>>>
>>>
>>> WDYT?
>>>
>>
>> Getting the science overlay into a much better and almost usable
>> state. There are now enthusiastic people who are starting 
>> to contribute to the overlay and adding a lot of fixes.
>> So I'd say, getting a new life for the science project is also
>> something nice that has happened :D
>>
>> Special thanks to chymera and andrew for being super enthusiastic 
>> in fixing the overlay :D 
> 
> I do appreciate it but I'm not sure if this is something specific
> enough to be mentioned in 'major changes'.  I'll see how other things
> go and we'll see then.  However, if you have something more specific
> like 'we added these super useful packages' or stuff like that, I think
> it would be more interesting PR-wise.
> 

Ah, my brain glossed over the *impacting end users* part :P
Yes, this is not a good fit for that, my bad.

Aisha

Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Aisha Tammy]

>> To add to this, we now support having a completely X-server free
>> desktop, which is usable upto a really large extent without x-wayland.
>> I am almost positve we are the only ones who support this right now.
> 
> Yeah, that's something really neat to mention.  Do you happen to have
> some guide/info that we could point interested users to?
> 

We haven't made a wiki page for it. End users only need to do a small

amount of USE flag tweaking (build wlroots without X), so we didnt

see a need for a walkthrough.

It is very straight forward (which is the awesomest part :D ).


Cheers,

Aisha

Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Andreas K. Huettel]

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[riscv] **The [RISC-V project](https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:RISC-V) 
was started and already provides initial support for the riscv64 
architecture.** We have [stage3 files](https://dev.gentoo.org/~dilfridge/
stages/) and stable profiles available for the soft-float (rv64imac/lp64) and 
hard-float (rv64gc/lp64d) ABI, in both systemd and openrc variants.

> [sort-key] **A short sentence summarizing the change.**  1-3 sentences
> of detailed explanation.
>
> Example:
> 
>   [dist-kernel] **The [Distribution Kernel](https://...) project was
> launched to install kernels directly from ebuilds.**  To lower
> the entry barrier and maintenance effort, the project also provides
> a stock configuration for popular architectures based on Fedora.
> 


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Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Andreas K. Huettel]

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Minor update (see the last sentence):

[riscv] **The [RISC-V project](https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:RISC-V)
was started and already provides initial support for the riscv64
architecture.** We have [stage3 files](https://dev.gentoo.org/~dilfridge/
stages/) and stable profiles available for the soft-float (rv64imac/lp64)
and hard-float (rv64gc/lp64d) ABI, in both systemd and openrc variants - and 
xorg-server works!



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dilfridge@gentoo.org
Gentoo Linux developer 
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Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Agostino Sarubbo]

On domenica 3 gennaio 2021 09:35:50 CET Michał Górny wrote:
> Hi, everyone.
> 
> I think it would be really great if we could publish a summary of
> (good) things that happened in Gentoo in 2020.  We weren't able to
> maintain Gentoo Weekly Newsletter, nor Monthly.  However, we might be
> able to manage at least a yearly Newsletter ;-).

Hi,

from my point of view we improved a lot on tinderbox and continuous 
integration for the tree.

Agostino

Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Michał Górny]

On Tue, 2021-01-05 at 12:12 +0100, Agostino Sarubbo wrote:
> On domenica 3 gennaio 2021 09:35:50 CET Michał Górny wrote:
> > Hi, everyone.
> > 
> > I think it would be really great if we could publish a summary of
> > (good) things that happened in Gentoo in 2020.  We weren't able to
> > maintain Gentoo Weekly Newsletter, nor Monthly.  However, we might be
> > able to manage at least a yearly Newsletter ;-).
> 
> Hi,
> 
> from my point of view we improved a lot on tinderbox and continuous 
> integration for the tree.

Included.

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny

Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Michał Górny]

On Mon, 2021-01-04 at 15:32 +0200, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> Minor update (see the last sentence):
> 
> [riscv] **The [RISC-V project](https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:RISC-V)
> was started and already provides initial support for the riscv64
> architecture.** We have [stage3 files](https://dev.gentoo.org/~dilfridge/
> stages/) and stable profiles available for the soft-float (rv64imac/lp64)
> and hard-float (rv64gc/lp64d) ABI, in both systemd and openrc variants - and 
> xorg-server works!

Added.

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny

Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Michał Górny]

On Sun, 2021-01-03 at 09:35 +0100, Michał Górny wrote:
> I think it would be really great if we could publish a summary of
> (good) things that happened in Gentoo in 2020.  We weren't able to
> maintain Gentoo Weekly Newsletter, nor Monthly.  However, we might be
> able to manage at least a yearly Newsletter ;-).
> 
> I know I'm going to regret this but I volunteer to take care of
> combining and publishing the data.  Nevertheless, I'd really appreciate
> if you could reply to this mail with ideas of what you think would be
> worth listing.  I'd also use a native English speaker for editorial
> help.

I've started putting something together at:

https://gist.github.com/mgorny/660037bf1a7160cceebfe1076870e24c

> Please reply with your ideas in the form of:
> 
> [sort-key] **A short sentence summarizing the change.**  1-3 sentences
> of detailed explanation.

In the end, I've chosen to go for replacing the sort-key with a visible
link-category, e.g.:

- [Frobnicate](https://wiki.gentoo.org/Frobnicate)
  **Gentoo now frobnicates everything 10 times faster.**
  Thanks to the new release of Frobnicate project blah blah blah blah.



-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny

Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Poncho]

On 03.01.21 09:35, Michał Górny wrote:
> Hi, everyone.
> 
> I think it would be really great if we could publish a summary of
> (good) things that happened in Gentoo in 2020.  We weren't able to
> maintain Gentoo Weekly Newsletter, nor Monthly.  However, we might be
> able to manage at least a yearly Newsletter;-).

I think mentioning the new features and improvements on 
packages.gentoo.org would be worthwhile.

~Poncho

Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Michał Górny]

On Tue, 2021-01-05 at 20:46 +0100, Poncho wrote:
> On 03.01.21 09:35, Michał Górny wrote:
> > Hi, everyone.
> > 
> > I think it would be really great if we could publish a summary of
> > (good) things that happened in Gentoo in 2020.  We weren't able to
> > maintain Gentoo Weekly Newsletter, nor Monthly.  However, we might be
> > able to manage at least a yearly Newsletter;-).
> 
> I think mentioning the new features and improvements on 
> packages.gentoo.org would be worthwhile.

Sure!  Could you help me a little and choose a few most worth mentioning
explicitly?

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny

Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Poncho]

On 06.01.21 00:12, Michał Górny wrote:
>> I think mentioning the new features and improvements on
>> packages.gentoo.org would be worthwhile.
> 
> Sure!  Could you help me a little and choose a few most worth mentioning
> explicitly?
> 

Maybe something like:

packages.gentoo.org was improved to show additional information. It 
provides now links to repology.org, github pull requests, QA reports and 
much more.

Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Michał Górny]

On Wed, 2021-01-06 at 18:41 +0100, Poncho wrote:
> On 06.01.21 00:12, Michał Górny wrote:
> > > I think mentioning the new features and improvements on
> > > packages.gentoo.org would be worthwhile.
> > 
> > Sure!  Could you help me a little and choose a few most worth mentioning
> > explicitly?
> > 
> 
> Maybe something like:
> 
> packages.gentoo.org was improved to show additional information. It 
> provides now links to repology.org, github pull requests, QA reports and 
> much more.
> 

Thanks, added.

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny

Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Benda Xu]

Hi Michał,

Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> writes:

[...]

>   [dist-kernel] **The [Distribution Kernel](https://...) project was
> launched to install kernels directly from ebuilds.**  To lower
> the entry barrier and maintenance effort, the project also provides
> a stock configuration for popular architectures based on Fedora.

I like your yearly newsletter idea :)

This is not a change but a news of Gentoo popularity:


[HPC adoption]

The [Prefix](https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Prefix) Project
published a [conference
proceeding](https://doi.org/10.1051/epjconf/202024505036) on a case
study of Gentoo in high energy physics.  Gentoo also sees wider adoption
in the HPC community such as [Compute
Canada](https://www.computecanada.ca) and
[EESSI](https://www.eessi-hpc.org).

Yours,
Benda

Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] 'Gentoo in 2020' summary

[Andreas K. Hüttel]

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> This is not a change but a news of Gentoo popularity:
> 
> [HPC adoption]
> 
> The [Prefix](https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Prefix) Project
> published a [conference
> proceeding](https://doi.org/10.1051/epjconf/202024505036) on a case
> study of Gentoo in high energy physics.  Gentoo also sees wider adoption
> in the HPC community such as [Compute
> Canada](https://www.computecanada.ca) and
> [EESSI](https://www.eessi-hpc.org).

Thanks, added (will appear in a bit)! -A


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Gentoo Linux developer 
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